No , I would not make the trade, Gordon is asking for too much money. Money that will be needed to keep Artest in Houston in 2009-2010. I agree with the previous posts about not wanting to loose Battier in case Artest does not stay. We always needed a third scorer, now we have that in Artest, the main focus now should be on role players.
dont flame me or anything but i think that would be to much offense it would be hard to get 4 big time scorrers to all sacrifice
I would be down for that trade but the only problem is we would have to lose alot more then those players and our cash nowadays is looking pretty slim. Maybe add Francis, Rafer along with Head and Hayes and they might bite on a deal like that. Remember they would be losing an MVP point guard. If that trade ever happened there would be no reason to even watch the games because the Rockets would every single one. With three legitimate scorers on the team and Nash dishing out the assists the Rockets would be unstoppable. Probably another reason the Suns would tell us to F off.
Too much salary for a one dimensional player coming off of the bench. If you could chose between Gordon and Monta Ellis, which one would you take?
I don't see ben gordon has some point better over shane.for no reason will morey trade gordon unless they offer derek rose.
why would you trade two of the best defenders and role players in the league for two head cases and egomaniacs? gordon is way overrated. he's not a pg, he's a chucker. the best case scenario is to have him on your bench for 20 minutes and allow him to take as many shots as he wants when he's in the game. and that for 8 - 10 mio $ per season? are you kidding me? tyrus thomas is a bust and always will be. he has no real nba game and obviously not the strong desire to get one. all in all this would be a horrible trade.
i agree with the fact that gordon is a better scorer and would be the *spark* off the bench, but the fact is when you have 3 players capable of scoring 20ppg easily, you don`t really need a spark because you can keep one or two of them on the floor at all times and have the battiers and the scolas to play their part, they can do their part.
It's the salary that wont work here. were allready on luxtuary tax threshold as it is. also him being to short to be legit 2 guard and not skilled it enough to be a PG dosent help either.
1) No, I do not rather want Gordon over Battier 2) Bulls will not trade Tyrus Thomas for that kind of deal
I don't think this would happen -- you'd be giving up two pieces of your defensive strength. I think the Rockets are still anchoring their identity with their defense -- adding Artest and Dorsey could make it cartoon-like good. They just happen to have bolstered their offense this offseason with Artest, Barry and a second-year Scola. Now, having said that, I think some may undervalue Gordon. He's never shot under 40% from three point range ever. He's a career 43-44% guy and almost 42% from long range. Last year he shot 91% from the stripe (something tells me that would keep him and Yao on the floor at crunch time). He's not a point guard, but I think he could play there for minutes with this roster and take Rafer down to 30 minutes a game or less. The reason I think he could work there is the Rockets have T-Mac and Barry at "twos" technically, and both have above-average passing skills for the position. Gordon would be a nice-to-have, but his asking price in both dollars and years is probably too steep for Morey's plans, which still haven't broke the bank beyond 2010.
I think having Gordon over Battier/Hayes would make us a better team. Gordon would fill a greater need as another scorer off the bench while we seem to now have a level of redundancy at SF with Artest/Battier and potential redundancy at backup PF with Dorsey/Hayes. The problem is that if you let Battier go you have to sign Artest to a multi-year deal. If you offer such a deal to Artest, it will surely be for $10 million per or more. Then, if you want to hold on to Gordon, which would be the only real reason to do this deal in the first place, he will be asking for $10 million or more per year as well. That would give us 4 players taking up over $60 million of our payroll in 2009. It's hard to see that happening. Again, given the current makeup of this team, I would risk losing Battier/Hayes for Gordon's skill set if we were to lock up Artest and hang on to Scola/Landry/Dorsey. We may be giving up a little defensively (maybe not) but we would be adding another legitimate scoring threat off the bench. I don't see a problem with having four big scorers on the team. I think Adelman can make that work to our advantage. The real problem here is we can't afford to pay for McGrady, Yao, Artest and Gordon.
Battier and trash for Gordon and Tyrus Thomas? Are you insane or high or both? We can't afford Gordon and we need solid role players. I like the current mix of this group, two super stars+ 1 star+ bunch of solid role players. Now, if it's Battier for a premium PG, I am all over it though.
I would do it in a heart beat. Ben Gorden coming off of the bench would be the best sixth man the Rockets would have since Cat came off of the Bench when Rudy T was coaching. Gorden has the ability to be a tempo / game changer with his ability to take over games off of the bench. He could certainly fit into Adelmans offense in much the same way that Bibby did...when Bibby was more of a scoring point guard and not a passing point guard. With or with out Battier or defense is better than last year. Adding Gorden would make our offense much better when players like TMac or Yao had to come out of the game.
NO! There is no need to add a player who can create his own shot,we have YAO+T-MAC+ARTEST to do that thing.Gordon's first-shot style should upset the offense rhythm,and his defense is terrible,don't forget "the defense brings champion",so Battier is always our fortune.No one in this world would say:Oh,there is too much good defender in my team... In conclusion,this team need a player like Battier NOT Gordon.
Those are the two last players I would want here. Ben Gordon is a me first 6th man at best. He could be a #1 or #2 scorer for a bad team. Tyrus Thomas is Stromile Swift Jr. Bulls fans hate the guy. All he has is athleticism. Nobody wants Gordon for his price nor Thomas. I'll keep Battier
The Bulls like Noah better then Thomas just so you know. They would definitely trade him but he's not worth having.
Excellent post Clutch. These are the points I was hoping would be taken from the original question. Everyone, I wanted Battier for years & when we finally got him, I couldn't have been happier. But, with the addition of Artest, our team's needs have changed. Sure, we need to sign Artest first, but I have no doubts that Morey can get it done. I would also throw this thought out there for discussion. In my opinion, Gordon has no intentions of playing overseas & is just throwing that out there as a threat to gain more leverage. With the numbers that have been offered to many NBA players thus far, this could be a good strategy for him. It might be enough to make Chicago blink & accept a lesser deal than they might normally want. As for Gordon's contract demands, I just have a gut feeling (& it's a really big gut) that he would lower his current asking price to play on a team with T-Mac, Yao, & Artest. Anyone can see the potential of this team to be a Championship team. I still stand by my opinion that he could be signed for a first year salary of $8.0 million. The only question would be, would he want a 3 year deal with a player option after year 2, or would he want a 6 year deal? We appear to have plenty of defensive options on the bench (once we sign Dorsey & Landry), but are sorely lacking any offensive spark off the bench. Perhaps Francis, or Head could step it up, but imo, Francis is done & Head just doesn't have the "IT" we need. Barry will be a nice option, but there's no way he can pick up the slack if one of the "Big 3" go down for any period of time, & they probably will. Without a consistent scorer off the bench, our defense can only take us so far. Here's the number of games each has played in each of the last 5 years. It's really ugly & could happen again. T-Mac 03-04: 67 games 04-05: 78 games 05-06: 47 games 06-07: 71 games 07-08: 66 games Yao 03-04: 82 games 04-05: 80 games 05-06: 57 games 06-07: 48 games 07-08: 55 games Artest 03-04: 73 games 04-05: 7 games 05-06: 56 games 06-07: 70 games 07-08: 57 games I don't mean to be chicken little by running around saying the sky is falling, but when an opportunity presents itself, you have to be prepared to make the tough decisions. Even if it means walking away from it. Just more food for thought.
