Would you trade Battier for Ben Gordon?

No , man ,we may trade Battier if the bulls offer us derek Rose in stead of Gordon who can do nothing but scoring, in other words ,we aren't gonna trade Shane unless we can trade Battier for derek Rose . Gordon is even not in the same class with Shane in defence . And i have to suggest you change your neck name because your present name reminds me of a huge illuin.

 

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYLLLLLLLL NO!

Rockets had like one of the best defences last season...battier had a lot to do with that.....

 

No

Since there are so many players who have the ability for scoring.

So Battier is so important for his excellent defence.

 

The question is not just who is a better player. It is whose skillset is needed most by this team. I will agree that Gordon is a better shooter, can create his own shot better, and can penetrate better. You should agree that Battier is a better individual defender, team defender, and locker room leader (he would never complain about playing time, starting or not, his salary).

Scoring should no longer be a huge concern for us. With the addition of Artest, and Scola continuing to develop we have four guys who can score over 20 on any given night. What Battier gives us is the ability, when paired with Artest to have two of the best perimeter defenders on the floor at the same time.

For example, say we match up with Boston in the finals and we need one last stop or one last basket. The ability to have Battier and Artest out there to guard Pierce and Allen is more valuable to me then having Gordon and Artest out there if we need one last basket. In that situation the play will run through Tmac, Yao, or Artest before Gordon would even be involved.

 

IN A HEARTBEAT!!!

Gordon is a solid player...so is Battier...but value for value...and we could use Gordon.

Bat Man is expendable especially since the addition of Artest.

I say pull the trigger if given the opportunity.

Throw in Head also. (Luther that is)

 

I love Battier, but I don't think the ideal plan was ever to have them out there at the same time. We now know that the Artest deal was negotiated since at least last year's trade deadline. It was close to going through and was held up by minor issues. Then on draft day there were widespread rumors of a Battier for Outlaw+Brandon Rush trade.

So basically, Morey tried to get Outlaw and Rush while replacing Battier with Artest. That would have been an amazingly deep SG/SF rotation and I don't think the plan was ever to have a two-headed monster of Artest/Battier when neither can play SG. If we can trade Battier for increased depth or an upgrade at guard, then we should.

 

Ben Gordon reminds me an awful lot of Vinnie Johnson. And that says a lot.

Ben Gordon thrived when he came off of the bench in Chicago as instant offense. In fact I always thought Gordon was better coming off of the bench in Chicago.

And in todays NBA you don't always pay someone based on if they are a starter or not because your biggest contributors are sometimes players that come off the bench...like Ginobli in SA. So pay is and should be about what you contribute not if you start or come off of the bench and I think we can all agree that if Gordon was on the Rockets he would average 30 plus minutes a night.

What has haunted the Rockets most during the Yao and TMac era? Not team defense because the Rockets have consistantly been a top defensive team. What has hurt the Rockets is a lack of scoring when either TMac or Yao sit down or especially when both sit down. The Rockets have freaquently fallin into an offensive funk that would take an entire quarter to get out of when either 1 or both of their stars are on the bench.

In comes Ron Artest...he will be a starter so he does not really address the need for bench scoring. Certainly he helps in an indirect way by having another scorer that can stay on the floor when TMac, Yao or both go to the bench. But we still need that offensive spark plug that can come off the bench and change the pace of the game and at no time in Battiers career has he been that.

With or with out Battier we will be one of the top if not the top defensive team in the league. Adding Artest helps our offense but if we could add Ben Gordon as well to come off the bench (like Vinnie Johnson did in Det) then I think our offense would and could be just plain unstoppable...even on nights that TMac or Yao or Artest have off nights.

 

I still believe defense win's championships, that's the only way the Spurs have one as many. Also, Boston was a defensive nightmare.

So no to no D Gordon. I always take brains over get his own shot

 

Yes i would as i see Battier not being needed with the landing of Artest but i will also wait one year to see how the artes experiment goes. Like a insuranc policy.

 

With or with out Battier the Rockets will have one of the 2 or 3 best defenses in the league if not the very best.

The Rockets problems over the last several years has been on the offensive end of the floor.

Adding Gordon would allow us to have the same quality of defense that the Spurs have plus a dynamic offense that no can stop.

 

How about we pay them to take luther?

 

yes. gordon killed us. so did artest. it would be nice to have both of them of the same team.

gordon is 10X the offensive firepower is that of Battier, while Battier does provide the defensive superiority and overall basketball IQ. had we had the money which i know we don`t , getting Gordon would be a guaranteed 15ppg off the bench for us, while battier provides us with a defensive force who can guard 1,2,3 spots and usually plays at the corners and hits them at a good percentage.

this is never going to happen but if you consider that you got scola for vspan, i guess this is possible too if the money works as well.

 

Uh, somebody remind me. Why is Artest starting? Our offense worked great with our starting five last season. We were good in the first quarter. He'd work as the spark off the bench in a Ginobili like role, won't he? We have Barry and Artest, not to mention Landry coming in. We're not short on fire power. Shane's game is more suited to be a starter, balancing it all out, and we'll have Ron to be that extra punch.

 

I simply agree with you, because Artest is like adding a deathly angel to our starting line up, so I really don't see how Battier would be starting instead of Artest. If that does happen, it won't last to long that's for sure.

 

Look, we don't need that angel on the starting five. We need it on our second unit. Our starters are fine. We got Scola, Yao, and Mcgrady, all consistent scorers. Rafer tends to get hot at the start of the game. Battier with defense and range shooting, spreading the floor. What's not good about that? Now Artest can check in at 6'', later if we're doing good, earlier if not, and lead the bench gang.

 

People are calling Gordon this offensive genius. He's basically a volume scorer... which is nice if you need a guy to create double teams so other people will be open, but we don't need that, not anymore. We need efficient scoring now.

 

Didn't Ben Gordon turn down a $50 million contract? If he wants a bigger contract than that, then I don't see how he fits with the Rockets. I think he's a supercharged Luther Head. Sure, in an ideal world Artest is great, signs a long term deal and Battier becomes a nice trading chip for a an offensive spark like Gordon, but you don't pay the Vinnie Johnsons of the world starters money.

 

hell yes i would do this trade. we are still lacking offense, specifically in our guard positions when T-Mac is out. Noone on this team can create their shot from the perimeter other than T-Mac. the ideal guy player would be someone who could free himself from the 3 point line, like a James Posey. Ben Gordon would fit the bill perfectly, and we can replace battier's defense with Artest's easily. if Ben Gordon was on this team he would be our most consistent offensive weapon, more consistent than both T-Mac and Yao.