Would you take Karl Malone as your PF for next year

Awesome first post there, Batman!

I couldn't have said it any better.

 

Though I hate Karla 'the dirty' Malone, but I'd be willing to take him IF he is still very good. But he isn't. He is just an average jump shooting PF, who cannot grab an OFFENSIVE board!

So, No!

 

But it's not at all costs. It's an artificial contruct to assume that there is an objective standard at play here. Is Malone many of the things of which he is accused? Yes, but no more than many other players, including some who have played for the Rockets. Barkley is one example, but there are others. Ellie was considered a dirty player around the league, like most 'defensive, scrappy' players.

The added element is that instead of playing for a team for which we have a positive bias, Malone played for a team for whom we have the most negative bias, and moreover had it's highest profile. Portland had a problem, not because it accumulated players from teams it didn't like, or were known as cheap shot artists, but because it accumulated players whose personalities had negative effects on their play. Character counts in basketball inso far as it relates to wins, and Malone has routinely won throughout his career. Has he ever managed to pull off the entire thing? No, but neither did Barkley, and neither were ever on the best team.

Yes, the emotional fans pay the bills. But they don't get fired if the decisions are wrong, and therefore, they don;t make the decisions. At least, I hope not.

 

Well I hope noone on this board watches the Rocket games too closely.

Mo has mastered the pump fake and throw your arms thru the defenders arms trick. And likes to laugh about it.
Cut him the dirty cheater.

Steve drives the lane and gets phantom fouls. And likes to laugh about it. And likes to laugh about it.
Cut him the dirty cheater.

And on. We may have to cut everybody.

At every level of this game you watch the refs and see what is being called or not called. Then play that game. At least that is what I did. Or maybe I copied Jerry Sloan too much as a kid because I liked to win ugly than lose pretty.

 

I would boycott the rockets until his contract expired. That clown does not belong in a rocket jersey. I don't care if he would get us 30/20 every night.

 

Wow. If you can sincerely compare Malone's play with Barkley's or Elie's there's about as much point talking to you about this as there is debating foreign policy with Trader Whack-A-Mole. For me, this has nothing to do with the Jazz being rivals and everything to do with being unwilling to support the dirtiest player in the history of the NBA. But if you think calling Malone dirty and Elie hardnosed is homer bias, we'll never see eye to eye.

 

Yeah, if the GM smoked some bad stuff one day and did this. He would get shot.

 

You people voting 'yes' are getting your asses kicked.

 

Were we not having this deabte, and we had a glaring need for a defensive 3, what would be your reaction to acquiring Bowen for nothing?

 

Lol...or even if we were not having this 'debate'....

 

I don't have any problem with Bowen. The only active guys I've got a serious problem with are Malone and J. Rose. I wouldn't quit rooting for the Rockets if Rose came over, but I'd still hate him. If Malone or Sloan came over that'd be the end of the Rockets for me.

 

Only if I want to be a fan of another team. If Malone's ever a Rocket, I'll cease to be a Rocket fan.

 

I'll take either Rose or Malone if it leads us to getting a ring. It's easy to say no to Malone because he is too old to get us over the top.

 

OK, see, that's what I'm saying. Your problem isn't on the degree of their dirty play, on on their injuring other players, it's on the degree of their dirty play and injuring other players against the Rockets.

Unlike Malone, Bowen has been accused of intentionally injuring many different players for a long time. Unlike Malone, BOwen's entire career is contingent upon his ability to play 'tough, gritty', etc., ie dirty. Bowen is rountinely called the dirtiest player in the league.

CC, I'm being straight; this question wasn't designed to win an argument. I was trying to find common ground. Had you said that you'd not want Bowen either, I'd have said, ok, cool, we're essentially saying the same thing, just with a different take on how bad Malone is relative to the real offenders like Bowen. But you said Bowen was ok, and included another players whose only known instance of a serious cheap shot was against the Rockets. Unlike Bowen, who has had, what, 30...40 serious incidents. 7 or 8 players call him out for intentionally trying to injure them?

So, based on your response, I'm afraid that I maintain that it seems your position is based on a Rockets' fan bias. Which, as I said, is cool, and your right. But I wouldnlt use that perspective to decide personel moves.

 

I'll be honest, MacB. I don't watch a whole lot of games the Rockets don't play in. I won't claim expertise on Bowen's career or his reputation around the league. And maybe this makes me incredibly naive, but I'm not aware of his reputation as a dirty player. My bias as a Rockets fan, in this case, is one of ignorance of Bowen's play against other teams. His tough defense has frustrated me (as Barkley's tough offense did when he was a Sun), but it hasn't made me hate him.

I do hate Rose for what he did to Elie, yes. And that's because I loved Elie, yes. I hold a grudge, but I wouldn't quit the Rockets on account of one incident.

Going back to Barkley, he frustrated us because he beat us a lot and he talked trash -- not because he was a dirty cheater.

Malone hasn't been a villian to Rockets fans because he was a formidable rival like Barkley. Or because of any one hard foul he threw against a Rocket like Jalen. He was, and is, a villian because throughout his career he has played dirty against the Rockets and cheated against the Rockets. You can't say that about Bowen.

 

Cool.

Do a little research n Bowen; it'll knock your socks off. Kicking people in the face, intentionally underpinning them causing injury, etc. Even his own teammate, Tim Duncan, was caught on record admitting he was a dirty player.

And I disagree about Sir Charles. He was dirty. His spin move in the paint as famous for being preceded by a 'bow. to the face/throat. But was he AS dirty as Malone? Don't know, probably not. But it's shades of grey, to me. Personally, I always thought that Stockton was dirtier than Malone, just wasn't as big so it had less impact.

 

i hate you

 

MacB: Okay. In that case, though I don't have personal feelings against him, I probably wouldn't like having Bowen on our team either. But I don't have years of watching him cheat to make me hate him. I don't want any seriously dirty players on our team. I don't want to win that bad. I'm extremely competitive in real life. I hate to lose. But I would NEVER cheat to win. And I'd never abide a cheater on a team I was on.

I couldn't disagree with you more about Barkley. There's a difference between a post player throwing elbows to make space and throwing them to hurt someone. One's legal, one's not. One's ethical, one's not. Not shades of gray at all to me. I love a player that does everything within the rules to win and I deplore one that breaks them to win.

Barkley forever. Malone never.

 

Dennis Rodman!!

 

Hell No!

Don't bring bad luck to our team. Dirty karla has been banished by the BBall god since long time ago. He will never win.