Would you take Elton Brand, If he came with Evan Turner?

02 is a weak draft. Who would you have picked other than Yao? Even Amare wouldn't have made this team better.

 

Amare has been to two western conference finals already, plus, is not nearly as injury-prone as Yao.

For the past 8 years, I would have rather had Amare than Yao.

 

why do we need Evan when we could have Wade? Set the bar high. I know bron is out of the question, but we have enough pieces to make 2 sign and trades and get both wade and bosh, we might lose martin or/and yao but so what.

 

to add, did you know the clippers offered odom and #8 for #1. they wanted j will, and we worked out amare and loved him. we would have taken him 8.

i think the lineup would have been francis,mobley,odom,griffin,amare

it killed me,but francis isnt a winner,griffin drank,amare got injuries,mobley nearly had heart attack, odom at the time had drug issues, that team would have caused griffin to die even sooner and 3/5 of that lineup would have drug issues.

 

Pass that reefer.

 

Hell the **** yes.

 

I can't believe how many of you would actually do this trade. Paying $51 million for a scrub, and taking an unproven rookie-to-be is the stupidest thing you can do, unless you're getting a once-in-a-lifetime #1 overall.

Look at the past couple years and how many of the top 5 picks have panned out. It doesn't matter how "sure" of a thing you're getting, projections for college players are 50/50 at best.
Mike Conley was supposed to be Chris Paul-like.
Adam Morrison was supposed to be Larry Bird II.
Michael Beasley was supposed to be a 20+ ppg player.
Oden wasn't supposed to be made of glass.
Marvin Williams was supposed to be Jack of All Trades.

I can go on and on.

 

Scrub? Maybe at that price, but Elton Brand would be perfect for us. He'll get you double digit points and plenty of rebounds every night. Not to mention he can block shots.

 

depends who we would have to give up to get Brand and the pick.

 

If you are the Rox and you are beginning to sense the Bosh thing isnt happening, you have to wonder if Brand and Turner wouldnt be a pretty good consolation prize.

Brand will not be able to give you Bosh type numbers but he has the bulk and long arms to be a decent backup C and PF to Yao and Scola. He has a decent jumper and a solid post game. At least he did and you hope he can find his form again.

Turner gives you hands down the second best player in the draft and possibly the most ready NBA player. Getting him on draft nights opens up all sorts of trade opportunities where you could give up Battier, Ariza or Martin.

I wonder if the 76ers take Battier, Jeffries (both expiring) and the 14 pick for Brand and the 2 pick (Turner).

Then look to trade Martin, Jordan Hill and one or both of the Knicks picks for Danny Granger and a future Indy first round pick. Not sure if Indy does this considering Kmart has a pretty long deal but the best way to rebuild when you are short on cash is draft young talent. And Martin at least gives them a very solid player in return for Granger.

It gives us a rotation of Yao, Scola, Granger, Turner and Brooks. Bench of Brand, Hayes, Budinger, Ariza and Lowry.

After reading this it does seem the Rox are giving up a lot with the inclusion of draft picks. But you gotta give up something good to get something good.

 

I've never heard Mike Conley being compared to Chris Paul. A lot of people always thought he should have stayed in College Longer.

Also have never heard of Morrison being compared to Bird.

As for Beasley, his career is still at such a young age. He's shown the ability to go off when he feels like it. With Beas, it's always been how confident he can be and how bad he wants to be one of the best.

Oden's ONLY concern coming into the NBA was his injury history. He was hurt in college and going into college. That was his ONLY concern.

As for Marvin Williams he has bust as far as what he was supposed to be.

You are underestimating Morey, if anyone can pick the correct guy at #2 it is Morey. Because 3 of these guys on your list would not have been picked by Morey. Morey doesn't get guys who don't have that work ethic...like Morrison, Beasley, and Williams. Look at our team, who on our team has a questionable work ethic? Jordan Hill is prbly the only guy and he wasn't picked by Morey.

You are mentioning all the failures in the top 5 but ignoring all the major success franchise type players. The type of player like Bosh and Wade. Like Melo, Durant. Paul, Williams. You don't want a chance at a TRUE franchise player? Yao is one, but he's always hurt.

 

No one was picked by Morey.

even it is 1/3 chance of getting a franchise player, you do it without looking back or just stay in the mediocrity forever.

 

This is rediculous I cant see sixers really that desperate to get rid of brands contract. according to last years rookie pay scale. in 2011 Brand and Turner combined would make 20 million( 10 mil each if you cost average) Then 21m in 2012 (10.5 each) and around 22 mil in 2013(11 for each of them), And in 2013 Brand will Most likely be the largest expiring on the market which will hold a significant value too. Turners rookie contract will last two more years at 5.3 Million in 2014 and 7 Million in 2015. Over those 5 years Brand and Turner will be payed a total of around 75 Million.

We could look at it for the team the same way as we would look at Signing Evan Turner for 5 Years/12 Million Per year(around same price as kevin martin) and Elton Brand 3 Years/5 Million per year(probobly less than brand would get as a free agent.) With both the players skills being worth what we would pay, I cant see how anyone could say, "brands contract is too ugly, it kills the deal" If the sixers are looking for nothing back but expirings then this is a no brainer If we have to give any sufficient value back, it becomes a more complicated issue.

Brooks/Lowry
Martin/Turner
Ariza/Budinger
Scola/Brand/Hill
Yao/14/ MLE?

I Like that teams chances next year and far into the future, and there are still a few left over assets maybe to swing another big trade.

 

Shut up Meg!

 

We wouldn't be trading for Turner.... we would be trading for the "2nd overall pick", and whom ever Morey feels is the best player available at that position... cough*Cousins*cough :grin:

--RB

 

Obviously, it's a guaranteed chance at a true "franchise" player, I'd do it. But, there are only a few true "franchies" players in the league. If you do the math on how many franchise players there are in the league, and how many top 5 picks there have been in the past decade or so, the numbers don't look good.

Even though Morey has had a tremendously good track record with draft picks, realize that he's relied on picking overlooked talent. It's a whole different ballgame when you get to the higher positions, and get pressure all over from the media, fans, scouts, owners, etc. There might be a true franchsie pick at #2, but going purely by statistics, the odds are stacked HEAVILY against you.

 

If we can convince Brand to retire after the deal goes through, then yes.

 

While everyone loves to compare Turner to Roy, doesn't his lack of outside shot make him more similar to Iguodala minus the athleticism...probably what the Sixers are thinking.

 

How many of those franchise players were top 5 picks? Nearly all of them are.

This will be the Rockets only hope to get a true franchise guy, the offer doesn't come along every year, to pick in the top 5. The only other way to get a franchise player is to trade for him or acquire FA. Since the FA thing isn't going to happen...what other chance is there?

Bosh? He's borderline just a really good player and not a franchise one, and it seems he wants to play with a franchise player.

You say the odds are heavily stacked for finding a franchise player in the top 5...yet nearly all the franchise players in the NBA today were top 5 picks.

Dwill
CP3
Dwight
Lebron
Wade
Melo
Durant
Rose

All bonafide franchise players, all taken in the top 5. It's not a surefire way to get this type of player, but it is as close as you can get with it. You have to take a chance sometimes and Brand isn't a horrible player, his contract is just really bad. It's not that big of a risk unless we are giving away a lot to take on Brand.

By the time Brand expires then Turner will need a new contract, and maybe at that time we'll have more capspace and MAYBE players will say "I'd like to play with that guy!" and that guy will be playing for the Rockets.

 

I would do it in a second...its not like Brand is total garbage. He still can easily average 15 and 7. He is 31 years old. The contract is expensive, but you are still getting a serviceable player than can back up Yao or Scola AND you are getting the chance at Evan Turner (who is going to be a stud). If you give Ariza or Battier up in the trade, you are also saving some money there.

Plus, Turner can play 3 positions...

Brooks
Martin
Turner
Scola
Yao

With Ariza/Battier, Brand, Lowry, Hill coming off the bench.

Thats a solid freaking team.