Again, you are making silly insinuations..... Nowhere did we talk about Brooks......nowhere is he in any deal.....nowhere is there even a deal......it is not about Brooks or Martin, or CBud, it is about whether Melo fits. Brooks is irrelevent to my thoughts on Melo...... I don't like him, he has a history of bad behavior...and "not being a winner" and being a "punk" are not the same thing, it is possible to be both, and IMO, he is....both. I value efficient play on the floor and hard work, I see a lot of laziness in Melo's game, particularly on D, and no passing and he is below average on offensive efficiency..... I would rather not have that type of ball hogging, inefficient, punkish loser on my favorite team. (there got them all in the same sentence for you ) I know folks don't want to think the golden shiny object (Melo) in the stream is really Iron Pyrite, but it is.... DD
What has he done to earn the labels you are now sticking on him? Where's the "punk behavior?" How is he "not a winner?"
Lackin in D? Lacking in passing? Below average offensive efficiency? I could swear I've seen that guy. http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/brookaa01.html
Seems to me you dislike Superstars. I would have written superstars with egos but then I think the only one that might not have a big ego is Yao. What you say about Anthony can be said about a lot of superstars who won rings and were considered "punks" or "not a winner". Take KG for instance - total punk but guess what, he helped Paul Pierce win a ring. Look at Kobe - people call him a punk for the supposed rape and other shenanigans he's had off the court. What's wrong with that? And anthony has won in college - leading that team single handily to a championship in that final game. I just think that if you look at what he brings to the table - scoring punch (no pun intended), toughness, and clutchiness - you take it. Unless you rather not win a ring.
TS% .549 EFG% .532 And he is not great on D, but he is not that bad, people exagerate his lack of defense big time... I think having Yao Ming on the floor will improve all of our perimeter defenders, even Shane struggled last year as he funneled guys to the middle and they shot over Chuck..... DD
I don't mind egos it is the way they play and how they act towards others on and off the court that I use to make up my mind as to whether I like them. I can not stand Pierce or KG/ I am not a fan of Kobe off the court, but on it, he is pure business. I would rather win the ring with a group of guys like the Spurs did, quality, classy, and talented...... And there is no guarantee that getting Melo gets you any closer than what we already have on this team.....NONE.... He has been out of the first round a grand total of ONE time......not sure how much of a leader he really is now, is he? His advanced Metrics are not that great........he is not an efficient player, in fact he is a bit like Iverson.....only without the competitive drive that AI had....Melo can be lazy from game to game. DD
What bugs me, DD, is that you make excuses for the flaws in AB's game, but when a player is talked about as possibly being traded to the Rocks and the "deal" might include AB, and I'm sure it's only a coincidence, you come up with derogatory labels for them, put them down, call them "chuckers," that they "aren't winners," and even lower yourself to calling them a "punk." You only see the good in your "favorites," and only the bad in those you've decided, for whatever reason, that you don't like. It's not a very flattering quality to have, DD, in my opinion. Maybe you should work on that.
Carmelo Anthony: TS%: .548. TOV%: .106 ORtg: 110, DRtg: 109 Aaron Brooks: TS%: .549, TOV% .137 ORtg: 108, DRtg: 112. Maybe Yao Ming can help with this Carmelo guy's defense, too. Or is he too much of a "punk" for Yao to help?
The irony. I know you are referring to Brooks, but all that applies to Carmelo. To a T. Literally a T. Look up his TS%. BTW expanding on TS%, and sort of debunking this whole "inefficient chucker" myth perpetuated by lazy journalism. Its nice that we are now more aware of TS% after the Martin trade. "Efficiency", "points per shot" is all the rage now. It is a nice step forward for uninformed casual fans who only looked at the conventional boxscore in the past. But make no mistake, none of these stats tell the whole story by themselves. How to interpret them logically is what makes "advanced" stats advanced. All TS% are NOT created equally. You cannot compare a go-to scorer's TS% to a spot up jump shooter and call him less efficient. Just use some common sense.
Man, for someone who has never met me, or spoken with me, or even shared an email or conversation of any sort, you sure make up a lot of BS in your thoughts about how I think. None of what you said in there is remotely accurate....none. It is 100% your OPINION of what you THINK I am meaning I dissacossiate myself from all my likes and dislikes when evaluating whether a player makes this team better. With Melo, it is not about who we traded for him, or who stays or goes, it is about whether he fits into the style of play this team has built up. This is a true team, there is no one that other teams can focus on, if they try to stop Martin, Brooks will get ya, if they stop them, Yao, or Scola, or Lee, or Lowry, or Bud..... This team has so many options that it will be danged near impossible to game plan against that. Now, let's say we get Melo.....and extrapolating out we keep my favorites ( just to humor your views on how I think), I believe that his style of play will hurt this team in the playoffs the same way that TMac's did. Even worse than that, because Tmac could be a willing passer, and Melo just is not a willing passer, he is a black hole, a guy who touches and holds the ball until he can get a shot up. That does not win championships.....look how many big shots were taken by players that were not the stars. Horry, Kerr, Paxson, Cassell, Maxwell, Smith, you have GOT TO PASS the ball late and trust your teamates...... Repeat: Your alpha dog/best player has to pass and trust his teamates to take the big shots. Now, maybe Melo will get there eventually, it took Dream a long time, but I don't want to take that risk...I don't think Melo is as good as advertised. You waited on a player like Dream to get there because he was soooo good everywhere else.....Melo is not good anywhere else.....other than as a scorer. REGARDLESS of whom we would trade for him...... And I have called Melo a punk for years......because he is one. DD
I agree with that, it only tells one side of the story..... In the eyeball test though, I see all the Rockets players (sans Martin last year) hustling on D.... In the Nugs games I watched, Melo was, uh....very remininscint of Tmac on D....as in....not interested at all. DD
No need for eyeball test. There are plenty of stats that delve deeper than TS%. Plenty of stats that dissect the game more clearly than a simply "shots per minute". And plenty of stats that say Carmelo is no worse a defender than Brooks.
There are lots of things unaccounted for like: Setting a screen that creates a shot. Making a hard cut that frees up another cut for a shot. Making the pass that leads to another pass for a shot. Being a help defender that shuts down the drive and forces the guy to pass it back out. Trapping the PG on the PnR and stopping that play. Closing out on defense and contesting the shot The game is so much more complex than the stats show.....at least to date, IMO. The eyeball test is just as crucial as the stats are....and maybe moreso if you have trained eyeballs. So you are saying Brooks is as good as Melo...ok..... DD
All the above are tangible, definable, and most importantly quantifiable actions. They all can, and are stats. But ADVANCED situational stats. Won't find them on ESPN, or yahoo sports. But you can bet that Morey looks at them. The difference is the eyeball may miss a few here and there, where as statistics will capture it all, AND their resulting effects on winning.
You don't see them on many places, do you have a spot all of that is tracked? And, those are the things the eyeball test can pick up.....barring anywhere to see the stats. BTW - Melo does NONE of that. DD
Yes. Morey's laptop. Seriously, this is what they are talking about when they say the Rockets have invested significant resources in statistical analysis. A team of stat geeks pouring over hours upon hours of film and tracking every pass/cut/curl, every kind and type of shot, every situation imaginable. Quantifying it and analyzing it. Yes I am sure they have some proprietary formulas too, but a lot of it is just the amount of data meticulously accumulated that gives them that slight edge against your average NBA team. It is one thing to say, "hey it sure seems like Battier tries hard on defense, he passes the eyeball test". It is a whole other level to track every defensive possession Battier is in, his every action, every hand in the face, every screen he fought through or got picked off, and the resulting outcome of all those possessions.
I mean, I just want the ring, I don't really care about how nice of a group of guys are. We don't have the kind of talent the spurs have. I also don't think the Spurs would have won against the level of competition The Spurs won rings against very mediocre teams for the most part. The Rockets are less talented (Duncan >> Yao, Parker = Brooks, Manu > Martin) and have to play against some monster teams to win. I just don't think our squad has enough to even advance to the finals. Probably would take injuries to the Lakers for that to happen. Acquiring Anthony may not bring us a ring, but it will give us a much better shot.
