Would you lie and benefit the enemy, if your life were at stake.

Devotion to selfish dying is not "religious".

 

Daniel did not deny Him under the punishment of what was to be death and yet he accomplished much. God's plan is God's plan and man cannot stop it. My life is and will be in His hands. That is what faith is. I'm not out to commit suicide (contrary to your stretch), but I'd like to think that I'd be found faithful - which still goes back to Him and His Spirit.

 

Fixed it for you...

 

You are nuts.

 

You believe that God would want you to choose death in this situation. I strongly disagree.

To be honest I'm offended that you would imply that making a foolish decision is what it means to be truly devout.

I can't imagine a world where God condemns people to hell simply because they don't act like self-righteous, over-zealous, fools.

 

No, dying for other people I understand.

 

There is no world where God does that.

And weslinder didn't even imply such.

 

Yeah he did.

Only a fool would throw away their gift of life over meaningless words. It's even worse to do so and believe that it somehows honors Him.

This would not be an act of allegiance, it would be one of thoughtless abandon.

EDIT: Don't take that to mean that I am calling anyone a fool, just that I see it as a foolish decision.

 

And selfishness.

 

It mostly has to do with the idea that there is something greater than your life.

When that "foolish decision" is to stand by what you believe, yeah, that's kinda the definition of devotion.

I don't pretend to know who God is going to send to hell. I know that God is just and would think he'd be okay with the situation. But I wouldn't deny my faith because it means that much too me.

 

You need to think about other people.

 

I guess this pretty much a stalemate, but I would deny it, for the same reason that you wouldn't.

 

He referenced the death of Stephen from the book of Acts. Stephen was preaching and the religious leaders stoned him to death because they didn't like his preaching.Stephen died looking up into heaven and these were his last words before he died (speaking of those who were killing him)-

"Lord, do not hold this sin against them"

He was murdered for preaching about Jesus and he asked Jesus to forgive those who killed him.

That is the context of his remarks.

 

Good point. It's pretty sexy to picture oneself as a martyr especially a religious one. At the end of the day it's your family and friends that actually pay the price, not the person embracing an unnecessary death.

 

Look at the people in the Bible. Paul, Peter (later in life), Stephen, Daniel, Shadrack, Meshack and Abendigo (sp on those last 3) etc, they did not deny Him and all but Daniel (and the 3) paid the price with their life. I don't think God repremanded them when they got to heaven and His plan did go on. Being Born Again is dying to yourself and living for Him. All lived for Him and all chose to die for Him.

 

YOURE GOING TO HELL LOL LOLZ!!!!!

 

(beating a dead horse)

Christians don't pursue martyrdom. I have a wife and 5 children and I don't want to die, God doesn't want me to die, I have a responsibility to my family.

Martyrdom comes though because Christians will not deny their faith. Martyrdom is a result of persecution, it is murder not self-inflicted or self-proclaimed heroism.

Any one who sees martyrdom as 'sexy' or 'cool' is arrogant and does not respect the gift of life.

Being willing to die for Christ is different than wanting to die for Christ.

A sincere deep love for Christ will cause Christians to be honest in their faith even when threatened. Remember for a Christian Jesus is real and alive. And death is a part of living, everyone will die.

Christians martyrs don't die to prove they are Christians, Christian martyrs die because they are murdered for their faith in Christ.

Don't worry, few American Christians are in danger of martyrdom. so far

 

Dying for a lie is denying your faith. It is immoral.

 

I just don't see how that is "for him".

 

QUESTION: To the Non Religious folx
What do you hold Sacred? What Ideals? Any?

COMMENT
This is why people distrust Atheist
they see them as moralless or at lease Morally Metamorphic

The Ideal is that a Atheist's morality is liquid
and moves to suit the situation .. which means
you really don't have any morals

Nothing is sacred . . .

I'm not saying it is true. . but it definately is beleives
and
to be honest. . . .the 'less' religious people here
are basically proving it true

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