Would you have called a foul at the end of the Spurs/Lakers game 4?

Clearly Barry was fouled, then he dribbled, then he shot.

My call: it's a foul on the floor, 2 shots, since the Lakers were over the limit.

This was actually a lot like one of the worst calls in NBA history, in 1999 when the Knicks trailed by 3 and Larry Johnson gave a similar fake, drew contact, dribbled, launched a 3-pointer than went in. The foul was called and they also counted the basket. LJ made the free throw. The Knicks won the game and later the series.

The NBA admitted later that the call was wrong, it should have been a non-shooting foul, due to the dribble, or a no-call (in which case the shot would have counted and the game would have been tied).

The controversy over this call/non-call shows you how screwed up the officiating was in the LJ play, in which the officals chose neither of the only two calls possible.

 

It does look like he takes that step before he dribbles (the ball is in his hand) and also before the contact.

to sum it up: Barry catches the ball, moves his left foot back and thus clearly establishes his pivot foot as the right foot, then after the fake and before the contact, he lifts up the right foot before he dribbles.

That would have been very hard to catch in real speed, would hardly ever get called, but yes it is a travel.

If you don't call the travel, then I think you have to call the foul, before the shot, and 2 shots, since the Lakers were over the limit.

 

It was a clear foul to me, very easy to see that fisher never intends to stop, he went right to the body, i am almost sure that even if barry doesn´t fake fisher hits him anyway.

It was a weak move by the league not to review that play (i actually i am not sure if those plays can be reviewed, anyway they should).

Why? well because the league has set parameters during the Lakers crucial games (game 5 against Utah they got away with a clearly Gasol push on Okur).

What have those situations in common?

Both player got fouled, none of them flopped, and none of them got the call.

I am 100% sure that the refs HAVE to blow the whistle if Barry flops on that one.

This way the league let you know that non-superstar players have to flop if they expect to get crucial fouls.

I am not expecting make up calls, but for god´s sake, even Phil Jackson said that was a clear foul, maybe he designed the defense to foul before shooting, if the ball doesn´t go to Ginobili, so that the spurs role players have to make both pressure FT.

 

Barry hit 95% of his FTs this year, 82% for his career, so no way did they want to foul him, role player or not.

 

But he usually misses Clutch FT´s

 

Barry didn't take advantage of Fisher jumping in the air. He could've drawn harder contact and that was a soft foul at best and NBA refs aren't gonna call that at the end of games in the playoffs. Barry did a bad job of selling it. Also, the Spurs should'nt have gotten the last opportunity since Fish's shot hit the rim and shot clock should've been reset.

 

I think he was in the dribbling motion when he moved that foot. Sure, the ball didn't leave his hand before he lifted the foot, but at least he was in the motion. But who drives like that anyway? Try waiting for the ball to leave your hand before you move your foot...it's quite awkward and basically eliminates the speed of your first step. As long as you don't take a full step BEFORE starting the dribble, I don't consider it a travel.

And note, I did say I'd call the 2 shot foul.

 

Dribbling motion is irrelevant, as I understand the rules, you can not move the foot until the ball hits the floor and a dribble is established.

He Traveled.

DD

 

Hmm .. I guess I'd have to look at another angle.

 

Don't you love the NBA? Two blown calls in the last 4 seconds of game 4. Are the refs blind, stupid, bought, or all of the above?

 

Maybe you're missing that he moved his left foot first (therefore establishing his right foot as the pivot). The rule is that your pivot foot cannot move until the ball is dribbled (makes contact with the floor).

 

that should be normal for us, shouldn't it Remember series against Jazz?

Generally I sometimes think refs just are not objective. Their calls are more and more often ridiculous

 

You're right, the left leg clearly did move first. That is indeed a travel.

 

i have to agree with the posters that said that he traveled....it was a foul but a good no call, i want the players to decide the end of games

 

riiight. next time the refs should just go take a shower a minute before the game ends. or maybe a defender can just choke an opponent, wwe style. it's just called let the players decide the outcome.

 

in what manner was it not deserving of a call? the contact was clear, fisher landed on barry's shoulder, forcing him to replant and adjust his shot. the intent is clear, the impact is clear in what manner is that "not deserving" of one

the ONLY thing "not deserving" is that barry didn't "sell" it enough to "deserve" a foul call in other words he didn't "flop" enough

everyone cries about flopping but it's clear why players do it... everyone APPRECIATES it... the refs, coaches, other players, TV commentators and yes fans. fans cry about flopping as if they're above it and it's something dirty players do but in fact fans appreciate and judge games by flopping probably more than any of the other abovementioned groups

NBA is still sports, it's not WWE yet... refs need to have some sort of legitimacy and call the games straight. I'm not conspiracy theorist but if you are one you clearly saw something funny in how they take a CLEARcut foul that gives LA the win and immediately after the game all the NBA "mouths" like barkley and the coaches immediately step in line with a "foul what foul???" line. all the non-biased reporters are asking questions like WTF but even barry who is obviously exacerbated at the end of the game is like "uh no problem i guess" 10 minutes afterwards... "Mr Stern is on the line for you Mr Barry..."

the NBA is such bull**** I swear it's only my favorite players that keep me watching this dirty league even the playoffs

 

HE TRAVELED BEFORE THE FOUL.....

 

I think 2 shot foul would have been the correct call. As for traveling, that isn't an NBA call anyway. 99% of the time that same play in the NBA is called a foul on the defender, I don't see why you change it just because their was 1 second left.

Would have been really funny if it was the reverse, Kobe and the Lakers in that situation. Can you imagine the whining if Kobe didn't get that call in that situation?

 

technically, maybe.

but if that move is a travel, then there are 100 other moves that should be called travel as well - incl. kobe's drive immediately prior to this.

if that foul by fisher is not clearly a 2-shot foul, then they might as well not call fouls at all in the entire game. in other words, we may not need refs in a game at all. just play an nba game street or pick-up style, that would be fun...

there, is the difference. don't let your bias against the spurs blind you.

 

No, not technically....HE TRAVELED......

PERIOD !

DD