Allan Houston has game but from a chemistry standpoint he would be a bust for the Rocks. His 1,271 was 150 *MORE* than Stevie. The proposed Francis/Mobley/Houston lineup would become a tug-of-war for the ball. Someone has to play some D (thank you Shandon). The very harsh reality is this - Rocks want/need: A top 10 (or 15) rebounder with decent range. Rocks can/would negotiate with: Bryce, Walt, 'Los, KT, 4.5m exception, Bull, Collier, a future 1st rounder. Many here would add Cato to the list, but it is NOT gonna happen. These are the COLD, HARD, facts of (NBA) life. But I'm still thinking maybe we can swing Antonio Davis or JYD Williams!!! ------------------ GATER
Lil Francis: yes, I would turn down that trade. For one, Anderson averaged more points EACH MONTH LAST YEAR. This was his first year where he was even one of the first 3 options... and by the end of the year, he was averaging 17pts per game. If he can average even 15 per game next year, he's more valuable than Allan houston, given his superior defense, better passing skills, and unselfish game. But even more than that, this is a matter of honor and reputation. We promised Shandon stability and an opportunity to play for a paycheck. If we went back on that, then the Rockets *deserve* to lose future free agents. Shandon's a class act, and this team had *better* treat him accordingly.... or this fan will be seriously pissed off. ------------------ The lottery sucks. Playoffs 2001. [This message has been edited by haven (edited August 21, 2000).]
I'm going to stick my neck out and say that Shandon WILL average 14-15 a game next season and increase his steals/ assists and rebounds numbers. The guy is pretty incredible, he has increased his numbers every year he's been in the league and has a great athletic game as well as a solid looking jumper and pretty good decision making skills. All that and he doesn't demand anything, he just goes out on the court and plays the game as it comes to him - sometimes he scores 30, sometimes he scores 3 - but it's not because he's shooting poorly, he just takes what the defense gives him, and doesn't force the action! ------------------
Shandon is awesome and almost as good as houston. just not as good as a jump shot, i might pull the trigger if it was houston 4 shandon staight up. and if shandon cant play the 3 then allan definitely cant play there. but really do any of u have links 2 webb saying he wants in? cuz with weber we have a championship team.but i dont know what to do with cuttino he wants 2 start
Webber's never really said he wants in. The assumption that we'll get Webber is based on the fact that we have cap-room next year. Don't worry about the fact that Webber has stated that he wants to play for a contender. Don't worry about the fact that Webber HAS mentioned other teams as his preference. In fact saying that we're going to get Webber is like the Bulls last year taunting everyone else and saying "look out next year when we have Duncan and Brand and Hill, we're gonna rock!" - now I don't mean to offend Ron Mercer, but the bulls didn't take him because he's a better option than a Duncan or a Hill.... Sure we might have cap room, sure Webber would be a nice fit, but he wants to play for a contender and I can't see us laying claim to being a contender by next season. ------------------
DrN, I agree in principle, but isn't the number of teams able to currently compete for Webber somewhat limited by the cap? I say this barring any block buster cap-freeing trades. It is not only a contender, but a contender with cap space....right? ------------------ GATER
Gater: It's very likely that teams that Webber has specifically mentioned will have cap room. Besides, I think Webber could easily force a sign-and-trade to get to a team he wants if they're capped out. With the prevalence of sign-and-trades these days, I'm beginning to think that salary cap space is highly overrated. I mean, it's nice to get a player without having to give anyone up... but I don't think it's worth maneuvering to divest your team of contracts for the off-chance that you might attract a free agent. BTW, next year will largely be hit-or-miss. True, only 3 or 4 teams will have cap space, but then, there will only be two free agents worth more than the exception. ------------------ David Falk is a MoFo. The lottery sucks. Playoffs 2001.
GATER: I contender with cap space only would SEEM to be the main competitor.... BUT unfortunately the bigger FA's will be able to get their way. Should Webber wish to play in Miami next season, I'm certain there will be a way found for him to be there. He may just threaten "I'll play for the exception" and the Kings will rush to get something in return. It happens all the time. Even teams WITH cap space take on FA's through sign and trade. Hill and McGrady went to Orlando via S&T. If Webber wants to play for a contender, it will more than likely be that he can go where he pleases and teams will work to facilitate him. ------------------
From the two descriptions, the cap room is a way over rated commodity. Except for one case. A player with a large, lengthy contract who is unproductive. This seems the other end of the spectrum since you can't get rid of them! ------------------ GATER
If they offered me Houston for Anderson I would have to unload. I don't care how faithful he was to the Rockets. Nobody forced him to be faithful to the Rockets. If you see someone that can make your team better I say go for it. Thats my view on it.
That kind of short-sighted view could really ruin a team in the long-run, LilFrancis. I personally like the fact that the Houston Rockets are an attractive franchise to free agents. Why would you want to change that? ------------------ "Have I not here the best cards in the game to win this easy match played for a crown?....." Bill Shakespeare
Lil Francis: It's not just him being faithful to Houston. It's the fact that it seems that promises were made to Anderson when he signed... that he would start on the Rockets. The Rockets did not offer Anderson the most attractive deal that summer... but they apparently promised him stability and a starting job. Trading Anderson, even if it would be good in the short-term, would hurt Houston in the long-term. ------------------ David Falk is a MoFo. The lottery sucks. Playoffs 2001.
Explain to me how it will hurt Houston. If we traded Anderson to Knicks you think Webber will be turned off by the Rockets? Anderson is no Chris Webber and he is no Allan Houston. Im pretty sure if Rudy can get Houston in a trade he will do it and I doubt that Webber will be turned off to coming here just because we traded a bench player with a starting clause in his contract. Plain and simple. Like I said thats my view on it and it won't change so lets talk about something else.
LilFrancis: Do the concerns of honor and loyalty even bother you? And you're right, Chris Webber may not worry about being betrayed int he same fashion. So if we only wanted to sign superstars for the rest of the franchise's existence, they'd be find. But that's not true. Houston would have trouble signing roleplayers for years. BTW, you still have yet to prove that Anderson is a bench player. The man would start on *most* teams in the NBA. His ppg went up every month last year, and he's improved every year. You haven't controverted these facts, you've ignored them. ------------------ David Falk is a MoFo. The lottery sucks. Playoffs 2001.
I don't see how Houston is -significantly- better than Shandon. He shoots marginally better (48% to 47%) and scores more. But he isn't as good a rebounder or a passer as SA. More importantly, Shandon is an excellent defender as a guard - something you can't say about too many of his teammates, or about Houston for that matter. Don't get me wrong, Allen Houston is a good, and maybe very good player. But the 2 main things he brings to the table - scoring from the backcourt and long-distance shooting - are the very things that we have a good supply of already. ------------------
Lets see what Western teams Anderson could start for: Lakers - Kobe Bryant (nope) Portland- Steve Smith (nope) Kings- Nick Anderson (maybe) Golden State - Larry Hughes (nope) Clippers- Of course Seattle- Brent Barry (maybe) Suns- Penny (nope) Jazz- (Yes) Spurs- Derek Anderson (nope) T'Wolves - Yes Nuggets- Yes Dallas- Ceballos (nope) Vancouver- Dickerson (nope) So my point is out of these 13 teams in the Western Conference Anderson could start for maybe 5 while Houston could start for all of them except Phoneix and L.A. Anderson is good but not as good as you think he is.
There's no way New York would trade Allen Houston for Shandon Anderson. Allen Houston is one of the top 5 shooting guards in the league. Even if they do trade Houston, I doubt it'll be for another shooting guard. They would either trade for a center or point guard. ------------------ You ain't gotta like me, you just mad cause I tell it how it is, and you tell it how it might be.
Ceballos is a SF not SG. Besides, Shandon is OUR starting SG and plays better defense than all but Kobe. I think his all-around play is more valuable to THIS team. It is that ESPN highlight mentality that makes people believe that scoring is all that matters...DO NOT BELIEVE THE HYPE!!!! ------------------ Houston Rockets Forever!! In Rudy We Trust [This message has been edited by Dennis2112 (edited August 22, 2000).]
I am with ya... Shandon would definitely start for at least 8 teams in the west, except Lakers, Portland, and Phoenix. Vancouver would be a ?. San Antonio, Clips, Seattle, Sac-town, Utah, Minnesota, Denver, and Dallas would gladly offer Shandon a starting role. ------------------ "Their Tiger Kung Fu is strong, but our Dragon will defeat them!"
