Since we're dream casting, I'd do that deal, then turn around & send Kobe/2 remaining #1 picks/Drew obligation to Chicago for Brand/Mercer/this year's #1 pick. I'll bet Krause would jump all over that deal. Or, we could send Kobe/2 remaining #1 picks to Golden State for Jamison/Fortson. Ahh, if only my dreams would come true. ------------------ [This message has been edited by Hottoddie (edited April 10, 2001).]
Yes, Kobe and Steve are a far better backcourt then Kobe and Cat, especially defensively. DaDakota ------------------ If you like RTS games, check out this one. www.frontierwars.com coming soon to a PC near you.
They may be a better backcourt then Cat and Francis talent wise, but chemistry wise? Do you guys actually think that Kobe Bryant would be willing to share the team leadership and ball with Steve Francis? There are people on here constantly complaining about Cat hurting Francis growth, but they think that Kobe Bryant would help Francis develop? Sometimes having a media hyped superstar in the backcourt doesn't alway help. People are saying that Kobe and Francis would be better in the backcourt, but if I told you a few years ago that a backcourt of Kenny Smith and Vernon Maxwell would win you a title you would have thought I was crazy. But it worked because they had chemistry. No way does Kobe Bryant have chemistry in the backcourt with Francis. They may be better talent wise and defensively, but what about chemistry? ------------------ Meow! [This message has been edited by RocksMillenium (edited April 10, 2001).]
Absolutely, RocksMill. Chemistry is the most underrated and unappreciated qualities a team takes into consideration when making personnel moves. I think we can all agree that Rudy deserves a lot of credit in considering chemistry, as well as talent and fit, when he's made moves. Did anyone have the misfortune of hearing Rich & Charlie on 610AM yesterday? These clowns were discussing the rumors about Kobe being traded, and they were debating about whether the Rocks should trade Francis for Kobe. They both agreed that, if they had a say, they would make that trade in a heartbeat, calling Kobe the best G in the league. But the worst was when they said that if the Rocks were presented with such a package, that they would be all over that deal, that Kobe's this once-in-a-lifetime player, Kobe superior to Francis in virtually everything, Kobe's younger, blah blah blah. Now I happen to be a Kobe fan, BUT COME ON!! I mean, he's a fantastic player, but I would say that Francis is his equal in most categories. The only advantage I give Kobe is he's a better defender (when he wants to be), and mainly because of his size, he's more versatile, capable of playing all 3 perimeter positions. Kobe also has more polish to his overall offensive game, but that's a product of experience (Kobe's younger, but has been in the league longer) moreso than talent or skill. They are both wonderfully talented and athletic players with the ability to be among the best in the league. But what do you expect? ------------------
my god guys...you would pass up kobe because of his attitude even though he has a **** load of talent? If he's on your team, he'd be your favorite player probably over francis...how could you pass up a Francis/Kobe in their primes combo as our guards, get with it people! ------------------
We should try to pry Kobe away from the Lakers, then we will have so many options. -We can have Kobe and Francis play together and see both of them entering there prime together. Francis is a very unselfish player as we all know, so he won't be mad at all giving the ball to Kobe when he wants it. Kobe can shoot better and he's way more explosive. -We could trade Kobe for anyone of the options mentioned by you guys involving Carter, Jamison, Peirce and others. I think this is a very fair trade. ------------------ Baseball is wrong, a man with four balls can't walk.
Although I would want to trade for Kobe as well, I would not give up CAT! Nor would I wish to give up Shandon, but would be willing to, if Cato (to back up Shaq or play the starting 4 spot)was included in that trade. Although I really can't fanthom a Rocket's starting line up as: C - Dream PF - Webber SF - Bryant SG - Mobley PG - Francis being able to co-exist, it's a nice looking line up on paper. Our second string consisting of Norris, Thomas, Taylor and a couple of good draft picks would be very encouraging. Oh well, we will see how this summer pans out for the Rockets, but the rest as the league as well. Go Rockets!!!!!!!!!! ------------------ "...Do you hear 'em? They're everywhere!!! AAAHHH!!!" That's what the other teams will be saying after being shellshocked by Steve Francis and Co.
Since we're talking about giving up Shandon for Kobe why don't we just pick the most one sided trade possible. Colson for Kobe straightup. The lakers need a point guard right? If they're not satisfied with this deal we should also throw in Los, then they'll definitely give us Kobe. I can't believe all of your reasons for not getting Kobe. You guys talk about "us" buying into the Kobe hype, well I think you guys have bought into the "Kobe is a clubhouse nightmare" hype. I think Kobe has a point when he thinks the Lakers should try to use his skills better. It's true, he's got talent and the triangle does nothing for him. Also if Shaq could hit his throws on a regular basis (which he's kind of starting to do now), then Kobe probably would have more faith in him. Also Francis knows his role for this team. He tries to get everyone involved early, and then he takes his shots later except for the times when his team can't hit jack (like last night). I think he could work well with Kobe, it's not like Francis demands to take all of the shots for the team anyway. Remember someone has to pass Kobe "the ballhog" the ball in order for him to play keepaway from his teammates. Remember he averages more assists than Cat the team player. How can you people want Jamison (who NEVER passes the ball) and turn around and say you don't want Kobe? ------------------ Thoughts? [This message has been edited by Band Geek Mobster (edited April 10, 2001).] [This message has been edited by Band Geek Mobster (edited April 10, 2001).]
I would'nt do that trade, because that would be taking away Franchise's best friend and we already had good chemistry with Cat and Franchise and if we had Francis, Kobe, and CWebb, there'd be some problems. You couldn't have Francis taking 15 shots, Kobe taking 25, and CWebb taking 20 shots per game. It would be hard to get Franchise, Kobe, and Webber the amount of shots they want. Francis Cat Walt (Shandon will probably leave) Taylor (if we can get him to stay) C-Webb The chemistry would still be pretty good and we could get some rings! ------------------ Sorry Clutch; I had to copy the recap headline "the Mo and Fro Show" into my username cause I loved it!
For just once think of the other team's perspective if you do a trade...why the hell would they want shandon for Kobe? Cat is not even close to Kobe's level yet, and won't come close to that level anytime in the near future... As for JR Ryder...you think their talent levels are the same? gimme a break... ------------------
Amen Band Greek M! you're the only sane one in this thread... Alot of Kobe's image was blown way out of porportion by the media...you guys are getting sucked into the hype... ------------------
I meant if Shandon was part of a PACKAGE I would do it. Some in here think SA should be untouchable for a variety of reasons. I don't. As for Rider vs Kobe, I guarantee if JR wasn't such a headcase he could give Kobe a very good game. There is no doubt in my mind that athletically JR is in Kobe's class. Kobe may be a better ball-handler, but I think jumpshooting is a wash. Check Rider's stats from a couple of years ago, they weren't that bad. And, he didn't have to take 30 shots a game to put up those numbers. We're talking TALENT, not PERFORMANCE. Gimme a break.......... ------------------ "norm, would you like to buy an indian scalp ? This deal isn't gonna make or break me Norm, so don't jerk me around." Harry Carey "Norm, if I had a mohawk scalp, I wouldn't be sitting here talking to you." [This message has been edited by gr8-1 (edited April 10, 2001).]
First off, Don't compare Kobe's stats to Cat's, they play different positions and have different roles for their team. Secondly, If Kobe Bryant won't pass the ball to the most dominating player in the game, why would he pass to Francis? Have you seen the Laker offense when it runs through Kobe, it looks like a well-coordinated seizure. It's not nearly as fluid as it is with Shaq. Thirdly, I'll give y'all the point about the triangle not showing off Kobe's skills to the fullest. I mean, can anyone name one Shooting guard who thrived in the triangle . . . Oh, wait. Fourthly, Chemistry is a precious thing most teams know nothing about. The Rockets have very good chemistry, Kobe Bryant would destroy team chemistry. Having good team Chemistry allows your team to get over slumps quicker and stay on runs longer. If we trade either Cuttino or Francis for Kobe we are getting hosed. On paper its a slam dunk, but the game isn't played on paper. ------------------ Founder and President of the Houston Homers Club(HHC) - Are you a homer? Join now! The Rockets will be NBA champions. Believe.
If you want to compare... Defense: Hands down go to Kobe wouldn't you agree? The defensive versatility of Kobe being able to stick to small point guards while guarding big guys like pippen is quite amazing. You really can't put any stats on that..defense is 50% of the game remember and kobe has a huge edge in that department... Offense: 1. Passing - Obviously Kobe hands down. 2. Ball Handling - Kobe 3. Penetration & Finish - Kobe 4. Shooting - just about even, but Kobe's shot is improving year after year. YOu can't judge talent on stats alone... ------------------
Aren't they both shooting guards? Also it was a little easier for MJ to thrive with the triangle considering he had the likes of Luc Longley and Bill Cartwright at the 5. [This message has been edited by Band Geek Mobster (edited April 10, 2001).]
Finally, a thread by me that people around here are giving some recognition because lot of times i felt that i was being completely ignored. ------------------ Baseball is wrong, a man with four balls can't walk.
Nominally, but Kobe plays a combo guard position and small forward and acts much of the time as the Lakers primary ball-handler, something that Cat doesn't do. ------------------ Founder and President of the Houston Homers Club(HHC) - Are you a homer? Join now! The Rockets will be NBA champions. Believe.
Kobe shoots a lot and so does Cuttino. I think this is a perfect situation that Kobe would love to come in. He'll have a backcourt, who's probably the most unselfish player in the league besides Kidd. I think Francis/Kobe could become very good freinds because it is very obvious and something we have seen this year many times that francis "prefers" Cuttino to make the final shot. Kobe game is just like Cuttino but only better. ------------------ Baseball is wrong, a man with four balls can't walk.
I would do that trade in a heartbeat, its a shame the Lakers aren't stupid enough to fall for that. Trade a pick, a power forward who can't rebound and a nice shooting guard for a proven shooting guard who is only going to get better is like robbing the Lakers. Cuttino's good but a Franchise/Kobe backcourt would be BackCourt 2000 and Beyond! The true question to is would you trade Francis and Taylor for Kobe? And that answer is a hell no. I would never trade our unselfish, proven team leader for Kobe. I think that Kobe and Franchise would fit great together though as opposed to a Cat/Kobe backcourt. A floor general point guard and a Big shooting guard who plays defense (well when he tries anyway) on one team. Wow! ------------------
