no offense to the guys that have paid for it, how bout reject? loser? idiot? good point tho Batman.. for the record, no..I have never paid in the convential sense, unless you count payin for dinner/movie...
As I remember it, and I have read the entire thread, it was the moral dilemma about prejudging her for what she does. He didnt want to be a hypocrit. I also asked this question because other people have stated that he did the moral thing by calling her and treating her like a human being. Thats a great thing to treat her like a human being but he still just wanted to hit it. He didnt want anything else and she didnt either. I dont see where there was this huge moral dilemma when casual sex is concerned, especially when one of the participants is a pin cussion.
I thought I was being obvious J/K...Besides johnheath's fantasy would be finding the Iraqi WMD himself.
The definition of w**** did not specify a gender. Idiots guys that pay for sex are just as big a w**** as the women that profit from it.
I will state what I would have stated prior to any of this becoming personal. Imagine, if you will, a woman who thinks as many men do...That is, she really enjoys having sex, and if offered sex with someone with the requisite sexual attractiveness, would be likely to have sex with them, assuming it was their choice, safe, etc. Try, when imagining this, to make the person a man. Not necessarily you or me, but any one of a number of guys you know who, if you offered them the chance to sleep with a lot of hot women, would say "sure" without a second's thought, except possibly to high five their friends at their incredible fortune. Or imagine they were offered the chance to sleep with women they found ok looking, but had great bodies...or were amazing in bed...same result, no? So reverse it. I may not see that these p*rn guys are attractive, but, when it comes down to just pure sex, whether you want to admit it or not, size does matter to a lot of women, as does experience and control, and these guys, however cheesey we think them overall, have that. As I understand it these pornstars have it written in their contracts what they will and won't do, and also have right of refusal if they don't want to do it with person A, whether because they don't like him, dont find him attractive, or whatever. The correltation between morailty and sex is not assumed, it is personally applied. If you aren't hurting others, than whatever you think is right or wrong is right or wrong..."Nothing is either good or bad but that thinking makes it so..." So if you are doing something you enjoy, under circumstances wherein you have control over what you do and don't do, and you are hurting no one...A lot of evidence has been shown to prove that when boxing, you are risking permanent damage to both yourself and another person...yet we do not see it as immoral, merely at most something we think is dangerously stupid ( as a former boxer, I don't but for argument's sake)..They are usung their bodies to do what would, outside the constraints of the gym, be equivalent with being mob muscle; You go beat the hell out of that guy, and you'll get paid. But we don't equate it with that, do we? So why, unless you assume that your personal correlation between sexuality and morality should be universally applied, why do we immediately make that kind of moral judgment regarding p*rn stars? And MB...My moral dilema was thinking and advocating the above while, when in the situation to apply my supposed morals in real life, I flinched for no other reason than what she did. I'm not sure I resolved it, but I sort of side stepped it by getting to know her/think of her as a person, which may, in a way, be a resolution after all. It wasn't banging a pornstar that either made me a moral person or the opposite, IMO. Also...want to reiterate...nothing I did is all that admirable. At best I overcame a personal hypocrisy. Yay me...I mean, it's not like I did anything for anyone else's benefit. Maybe it's cool that i overcame it, or saw it as something that needed overcoming, but it was my weakness to begin with, and if i overcame it i benefited no one but myself. To me the great thing about this thread isn't what I did or didn't do, it's the people who took time and effort to help me out, without any personal benefit. That's who should be applauded here.
I don't think he just wanted to "hit it." MB was having a moral dilemma concerning his notion that people are free to do what they will vs. the stigma of dating/seeing/going out with a pornstar. His dilemma, in the simplest of terms was, "Am I a hypocrite?" My response was that he WAS a hypocrite unless he did one of the following: 1. Call her and see her, assuming both parties were interested, thus proving that his notion of free will still stood. -or- 2. Not call her, and simply admit that he had a problem with what she did for a living, and didn't want to associate himself with that. Though he made the decision and the call before I got into this thread, I'm glad to see that he took the advice that I would have given him to heart. The issue at hand was potential hypocracy: The Ideal vs. The Real----> Ideally, he always believed that he would never judge because people are free to make their own choices; but the reality is that he had to make a decision based on how another person's freedom of choice could affect him. The only way MacBeth would, in my mind, be a hypocrite, is if he slept with her while continuing to believe she was somehow "wrong" for what she did. Choosing either #1 or #2 above would not, imho, make you a hypocrite.
I didn't realize this was such a dilemma, whether sex was involved or not it seems that hanging out with a p*rn star would be at the very least an interesting experience. This would have been an easy decision for me, and i'm not just talking about the "hit it then split it" club. The girl has obviously had an interesting life, and would i'm sure have some fun stories to listen to (about her travels of course).
Like I said earlier, I am not judging you. I cant say that I wouldnt do the same thing if in your situation. I'm not saying that you or her are bad people. I dont know either of you and cannot come to that conclusion over a bbs. I dont think that morality or right or wrong is relative. Those things are pretty clear cut I believe. That doesnt mean that I do the right or moral thing all the time but I do know what I should and shouldnt do. Since I don't do the right thing, often, I cant judge anyone. I think that all along you were going to sleep with her. I thought all along you just wanted a sexual relationship. Lots and lots and lots of people do it. I've done it. That doesnt make it moral or right. I didnt want to get into a right or wrong debate on this because honestly I dont care that much. I just thought that the propensity of morality in any way and casual sex with a pornstar was ironic. *steps off of soapbox* p.s. I dont think anything about it MacBeth and I hope you dont either. I just like playing devils advocate and trying to look at things in a different light. I hope it is as good as I have fantasized about it.
Comparing her to an NBA player is wrong. Comparing her to an NCAA College Player is right, THose college players are being whored around, and are making money to the higher ups. ie NCAA, ADs, Schools, them folks. But i am talking about prositutes and not p*rn stars so my analogy is off somewhat.
Ho's got to eat too !!! She is a ho...w****, hooker, whatever you want to call it and however you want to frame it. Same...same. The girl is no different then a hooker.....and so are the men in that industry. Don't sugarcoat it, she is a hooker.....no morale judgements, just call it like it is..... You had free sex with a hooker...good for you. It is up to you to decide what risks you are going to take. By the way...John Holmes died of Aids which he got making p*rn movies...many p*rn stars have HIV...... Be careful MacBeth....hot is not worth dying for. DD
There are a lot more people dying from driving to work than from sex with a p*rn star. Is getting to work worth dying for? I don't understand the glee some people derive from reminding us all that these women are paid for having sex. Some of you just seem to really enjoy calling MacB's new 'friend' a w****. Do you think he doesn't know she makes money at it? Why do you think you enjoy bashing these women so much?
Batman, What a ridiculous leap of logic. People driving to work and dying is not even remotely close to taking a roll in the hay with a hooker. Come on now...accidents sometimes can't be avoided, but sex with a hooker can always be avoided, why compound your risks? I make no judgements about what she does, or the men in that industry do, but to minimalize the obvious risk is ludicrous. I really don't even think it is that big of a deal to have sex with a p*rn star, why not just go to Vegas and buy a hooker, same thing. DD PS....The same applies to the shady men in that industry too...I am an equal opportunity w**** caller....
Good Point, I ain't going anymore... Did you quit your job? No, I'm just not gonna go anymore... Looks like you've been missing quite a bit of work lately. Well, I wouldn't say I've been MISSING it, Bob.
