Would u trade up for #2 pick to get Von Miller?

If Von Miller is as advertised then he'll make even last year's secondary better.

One thing every new defensive coach has said, both covertly and overtly, is that the unit was poorly coached last year. I'm sure they'd like to, and will look to, upgrade back there - but I also think there's likely some thought that Quin and Jakcson will both be OK with better instruction, a better scheme and an improved pass rush...

 

I would be ecstatic to land Miller, but giving up next year's first round pick would sting A LOT.

 

Prospects and draft picks - boy do fans WAY overrate them.

Again, if Phillips and Miller work out, that's a likely 20+ pick: Nice, sure - but would you give up your 20+ draft pick if it meant a 10-6 playoff season? Of course you would - beats picking in the top 10, doesn't it? Again, what's the goal here, people? Win in the fall not April.

 

Just like the Patriots do.

I'm down to trade up, but I don't want to give away next years #1. However I would be okay with giving away our 1st, 2nd, and 3rd to move up to 6 or 7 if either Miller or Patterson fall.

 

Isn't that what Miller is at this point?

 

Sure. But certainly a more known quanity than next year's first rounder, right? More so even than this year's third rounder, actually. If he's the real deal, he's worth the move to this team.

Again - the situation is a little unique in that the Texans should have unprecedented access to information about Miller via Sherman. Nick Saban has no incentive for Gary Kubiak to hit a HR with Kareem Jackson. But doesn't Sherman seem a much more relaible conduit of information?

 

i can't completely disagree with you on most those points. Von is an intriguing guy and I can't say i would be upset about getting him for that deal, although it's a high one.

No doubt you're getting an exciting player, however, Quinn could be available at the 11 spot and that guy is also be considered a moster pass rusher. Not the speed Von does, but no one does.

 

I think your undervaluing an NFL 1st round pick. You can get an ESTABLISHED difference maker who is already in the league for a package that centers around a 1st round pick. I'm not knocking Von but if we are going to trade a 1st, I would rather it be for someone already in the league

 

OK, since both deals involve this year's 3, let's throw that out.

If we do "my" deal, we take the 2nd and ~42nd best players in this draft plus 3 4th+ rounders. Additionally, we eliminate any draft-day hijinks: At 2, we will definitely get Miller. So five players overall including 2 of the top 50. We lose out on a top 32 prospect next year.

"Your" deal nets the 6th or 7th best player in this draft plus 3 4th+ rounders plus a 1 next year. So 1 top 10 this year, 1 top 32 next year. But, if Miller and/or Peterson do fall, we might get stuck in a bidding war for the pick and risk losing out on our guy altogether. Or the deal might escalate. Or someone could jump up to 5.......

I don't see the appeal of "your" deal at all if the idea is to maximize getting over the hump *this* year. If you've done your homework and think he's *the* guy, then I think he has immediate value and you risk next year's 1 to take a swing.

 

2 firsts is way too much. WAAAAYYYYY too much.

2 first and a third...there better be a Pro Bowl guy coming back in return.

That said I'm happy if they trade up to get a difference maker and not repeating the mistake of last year.

 

First of all, no established players are currently available. That's why this shapes up as a go-for-broke draft - it may be the only personnel you can add this offseason.

Labor issues aside, what stud pass-rushing OLB is going to be available? Teams aren't in the habit of trading those. I mean, yeah, sure - if available, I'd absolutely prefer Clay Matthews to Von Miller, but...

 

It's *a* first. Next year's first. You're swapping this year's firsts.

 

I get that. Too Much. You just don't trade away first rounders, unless you're expecting to have a pick deep into the 20s.

The two second rounders for Schaub was a risky enough play.

If I'm wrong and Von Miller is worth it, I'll be thrilled. But I think this is a insanely steep price to pay.

 

Has anyone found an actual link to this rumor or is this basically 3 pages of conjecture?

 

That's the idea, at least.

I think it's overvaluing a pick that currently has no value whatsoever. It's a risk, sure. That's why you better do your homework. And that's where the relationship with Sherman really elevates this. 99.9999999% of all college coaches, if they're smart, would absolutely sell you on the idea of taking their kid #2. "Heck yeah, trade your entire draft for him!" That's a huge recruiting boost. "Why play here? Did you see the Texans give up 83 draft picks for Kareem Jackson? That's because I make players the NFL wants!"

I think Sherman would shoot straight with Kubiak, though, giving him greater insight than the usual prospect. It minimizes the risk greatly, IMO.

 

you do if you're trying to save your job THIS YEAR. you'll worry about next year then.

i'm not saying that's good for long-term health of the franchise, either way.

 

Probably the latter. This thread probably would have been locked if it was about the Rockets in the GARM since it is pure speculation.

Have their even been any whisperings of the Broncos trading down? I have a hard time believing a team would trade out of the top three to number 11, unless they were a team that had acquired that pick via trade and didn't have any huge needs. I think a trade up to #5-7 would be more likely for Miller, and probably wouldn't cost a future first-rounder.

 

I would agree with this 100% if the thought was that the secondary was merely lacking talent but not only are we lacking talent, we're sorely lacking bodies as well. I'm also not counting on the Texans effectively addressing our needs through FA.

While I like Miller as a prospect, I don't think he is worth a 1st and 3rd. With the amount of holes we have on defense, I'm just not to keen on the idea of trading up in this draft. I also think one of Prince or Quinn could fall to us at #11 and I like them much more for the value if they do.

 

Von Miller..? WTF

if you gonna move up in the draft and Patrick Peterson is available why on earth would you pass on him..?

Our top priority should be CB.