Well we can fill holes by getting quality starters! One quality starter is a hundred times better than three players sitting on the bench! Also, let's trade down with our second rounder to add extra picks then go best available with those. I hate always "reaching" and drafting for need! I want to go for starter material, not just depth. draft only players to challenge for the starters' job and let them all fight it out! Don't guarantee Kareem a starting spot! Tell him it's on the line and he has to work hard for it!
I think staying pat and having a chance at Robert Quinn could work out great for us! If he played this year, he probably would be a top 5 pick! The only thing that might interest me is trading to number 7 with the 49ers. Recent mocks on NFL.com have Peterson lasting until the 7th pick. If that happens things could get interesting. The 49ers need a cb and even though Peterson is a better pick than Amakumara, alot of teams apparently have them pretty close. If Houston is one and Prince might last to us we might stay pat, but if he is there at 7 and the 49ers value Prince alot, they might be the perfect trading partner. We are gonna get a 3rd round compensation pick for the loss of Dunta, and that could come in very handy. Maybe our 1st, 3rd, and 5th to move to 7 and get Peterson! Sounds like alot to give up, and Quinn and Amakumara would be great, but Peterson is just that damn good to make the move!
Too high a price. Anything can happen. Injuries or more bad luck. With Andrew Luck coming out in 2012 I won't take that gamble.
No way. I think Von is the best OLB/DE prospect in the draft, but I'm not sure he's worth the #2 pick along with whatever we would have to give up to move up. There are a ton of other OLB/DE pass rushers in this draft, the Quinn kid first among them. There's no need to move.
The Texans would be overpaying for Von Miller. Next year's first round pick is the deal breaker. I would not mind moving up using this year's first and third pick, depending of whom they could get with that the higher pick. IIRC the Texans have a comp third round pick this year and thus a third round pick to give up.
No, No, and No. The Texans need players. I could possibly see giving up two pick to move up, but two three high picks...No.
There is no way you can predict that Von Miller will be an all-pro level player but Robert Quinn will not. That proposed deal is too costly, even though it is about right on the draft trade charts.
You only make that deal if you believe your team is one special player away from competing for a championship. As we all know there are several holes the Texans need to fill, and they have already shown they don't want to do that through free agency. There is no way they should make a deal like that.
Absolutely. It's beyond time for this team to show some urgency, especially in a year in which free agency might be severely compromised. Besides, a first round pick next year had better be in the 20s, anyway, or you're not going to get a chance to use it, so why not roll the dice? It’s a big-time move for your franchise: There's the "local" connection: Miller is a PR win for a team mired in PR disasters. You're telling me the fan base wouldn't be jacked up for Von Miller after watching him wreak havoc 90 miles away last fall? Plus, you have access and insight into this guy that no other staff will have because of your connection to Sherman, who will know if the guy is worth the #2 pick. You can greatly reduce the likelihood of error that way. And assuming you've crossed your i's and dotted your t's, scouting-wise, and convinced yourself he won't bust because of apathy and/or distractions, etc., then you've made an historically horrible part of your team instantly better. While not easy, stepping in and excelling as an OLB is much easier in the NFL than stepping in and excelling as a CB. Trading up to get a guy who'll need a month+ to get up to NFL speed is stupid. Miller will step in with one fundamentally easy task: Go tackle *that* guy. To me, it's a no-brainer if that's available.
i thought your supposed to be able to find monster LB's low in the draft and off the street when you play the 3-4?
We're going to keep "building through the draft" since it's served us SO well up to now. After all, that's what the Steelers do! Look, weslinder....we've just got to continue to get better. Seriously, I still say trade DOWN for extra picks to use for depth only. Then try and acquire an already-established OLB and CB. At some point, we have to stop perpetually looking toward the future and start looking at the present. Our star players aren't getting any younger.
You make some good points but a couple of things.. if FA is severely compromised, why limit the amount of players you can get in the draft? Our first round pick this year "had better been" in the 20s...and looked how that turned out. Showing urgency, or desperation, isnt necessarily a good reason to do something drastic. and this team has not done "historically horrible" at drafting LBs. In fact, it's been one of their few strong areas
I guess if they pull the trigger on this, the implication is that we will address the secondary through free agency?? What are the guarantees that a DB even COMES to Houston this off-season?? I understand that this regime probably feels the flames of the hot seat now, and they are getting desperate to make something work, but I wouldn't allow them to mortgage the future like this unless there's some sort of guarantee that they will be able to address the other needs this team has through free agency. And since there is no communication with players right now, it stands to reason there is no way of knowing what any potential target of ours wants to do. That risk is far too great for me to allow this staff to start trading away first round picks.
No way in hell I would do this. 2 1st rounders and a 3rd? That is way too much. I'm fine with going with what we have, or, if there is an impact player they rate high, spending less to move up, just not quite as much. To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised at all to see a deal like this go through. Why? Because our staff is on the cusp and need to have a good draft. What is the best way for this to happen? Draft a sure thing, or as close to it as possible, and that is what Von Miller is. They'll worry about next year next year, and that's assuming they're still around. All that matters is drafting well this year and keeping their jobs. We need help in too many places, so we need our high picks. Trade up slightly if someone is there we highly regard, stick with what we have, or even trade down to gain more picks. Do anything but break the bank to move up that far. Pugs
Ding ding ding ding ding. Kubiak and Smith will be more than happy to overpay this year in order to move up if they think it lands them an impact player. If it works and the Texans make the playoffs, they've saved their jobs. If it doesn't work then they're fired and they aren't the ones that have do deal with not having a first rounder next year.
Fair point. But it's one player (this year; the year of the compromised free agency) and a 3rd rounder at that. Not insignificant but I still do it every single day of the week... The time to hoarde over draft picks is over. This isn't a team rebuilding - this is a team that's (potentially) one or 2 players away from getting over the hump. Miller has the potential to be one of those players. Well, if you don't make a trade because you're afraid that pick might be in the top 10......... Again, these aren't the Astros. It's a team that should be aggressively looking for ways to get itself over the hump. I don't think drafting the best OLB prospect to shore up an absolute area of need is "desperate." I just don't. They've been historically bad at rushing the passer not drafting LBs.
