Interesting trade. I do think Toronto would go for it. They would likely lose Scola after the trade this season and Landry next season.
Not necesarily... At the time, last summer, Ellis was basically a question mark and it looked as though Amare wasnt going to be back as a Sun. So any trade was basically Amare for a year while taking back bad contracts but getting a pick. Ellis has since proved being more than just a bad contract. Phoenix basically had the leverage because it was assumed if they wanted Amare back he would stay. The Toronto situation is different because Bosh hasnt indicated where he wants to be, other than insinuating he doesnt want to be in Toronto. So basically Toronto is in between a rock and a hard place. Do they get a guaranteed return at the deasline, hope they can convince him to resign, or hold out and try for a SNT. Of all the options, trading at the deadline is likely the most risk free. Who is going to give up very much for Bosh if there is no guarantee he resigns where traded though? The Rockets might, because they appear to offer Bosh what it seems he wants: Team near his home town (Dallas), a competitor (paired with Yao-wow!), hard working team, etc. Unfortunatley, I was hoping this past game would serve as an audition to both the Toronto front office and Bosh, but we played poorly. I think we have the assets and situation to get it done and make Bosh part of our long term plans. I don't think it will be Scola AND Landry, more likely one or the other plus one of our PGs, while taking back Calderon who is looking like a poison pill atm.
Wouldnt Toronto get Scola as a restricted FA, thus being able to control a very good PF? I think thats where the value is.
Bosh is yet to prove me he has yet to outproduce other stars at his position when it really matters. Not sure about Landry, but Scola did give him fits in other games, and if it's "one for you ad one for me" i prefer the guy who is payed 3.5 millions over the one payed 15. Bosh hasn't impress me a little bit during PO.
The only way Toronto would do this is once we has picked up the option for landry to resign him for x seasons at a good price. To prevent another Bosh happening. Scola is not good for them as them as he has few years left in the tank.
As much as I love both our 4's, I'd move one of the two in a package for Bosh. Either one, but definitely not both. One of our point guards, some junk, and a protected future pick would probably be required... a lottery pick. Wish we could hang on to some of our first round picks and actually use them once in a while. Honestly, a very strong case could be made to just keep the two guys that make up our strongest position. Bosh would be a big upgrade in talent, but at a big price. Do we really want to pay it? I have mixed feelings about the idea.
Yes, I would. Scola and Landry are good, but each has his flaws. Bosh his at a whole other level. He scores efficiently like Landry (while doing so under heavy defensive attention) but does not have his disadvantage (lack of height). He's also much more atheletic than Scola. Given that, assuming Yao returns next year, you are only going to have so many minutes for Landry, Scola and Hayes anyway, you definitely trade for the upgrade. I'd imagine that if Toronto makes a trade with Houston, it's most likely to want Landry + someone younger than Scola+ pick(s). Trading Bosh means they are rebuilding, why do it with a 30-year-old?
Yes, absolutely! I agree with all of your points. I value Luis Scola very highly, and would not enjoy viewing his exploits on the Toronto Raptors, however Chris Bosh is one of the top post players in the NBA. Carl Landry has been playing at a level previously unseen in his career, and has taken the baton from Bonzi Wells as the best 6man in the NBA. His style of play as a reserve brings back many fond memories of Bonzi Wells during his top form tour in Portland and Sacramento. The addition of Chris Bosh, with David Andersan and Chuck Hayes playing only when the matchups dictate, would make this team a championship level, assuming Tracy McGrady returns to All-Star maker of plays form.
NO!!!!!!!!!! Chris Bosh is WEAK i dont see why you guys wanna trade above average role players for a so called "superstar" Luis and Carl > Bosh. What do you guys see in him he only puts up big numbers because his team is garbage. We dont need a PF we are set re-sign Scola and keep Carl. What this team badly needs is a SG, then Ariza can slide to the 3 and be a swing man. Even D.Morey said it his value of Chris Bosh is less than a MAX player, thats why he is not a Rocket.
I don't think either team would want to do this trade. Toronto certainly wouldn't do it, and I don't think it makes sense for the Rockets either. I would much rather try to find a high quality SG. We're already set at the PF/C positions.
One interesting bit, Chris Bosh is actually younger than Carl Landry. back to topic, Bosh for Scola and Landry? Seeing how teams always pay high for post players, would not surprise me at all to see someone offer upwards to 9-10m for Scola next season and Landry the next. Is Bosh worth max money? I let DM and Les decide that, but to get a player that is easily the top 3 for his position, getting into his prime, a player that scores anyway from post play to 3p range, fits both the up tempo play as well as Yao's half court play, I trade whoever Toronto wants for him. So yes, I will trade both Scola and Landry for him. With Yao back next season, DA and Hayes for spot minutes, for me, that's a decent 4 man post rotation.
People need to realize that both Scola and Landry will probably be offered 6-10 million dollar contracts in the coming years. Our bargain basement pair of PF is soon going to be quite pricey.
The rockets want to get a star player, Bosh is likely only one we have a chance to get him if he does not want to be in the current team. A trade could involve Luis or Carl plus Battier, Cook, and others. I do not think they want two PFs who both wait for a big raise. For the rockets, do you want to overpay Bosh? That is another question.
I would rather trade scola+tmac for Bosh, but realistically Landry + Tmac for Bosh + bad contract is more likely to happen. I would only do that trade provided that Bosh will sign extension/resign with us.
I definitely would, and Scola/Landry are two of my favorite players on the team. You have to consider how the team looks when Yao comes back, he'll be playing big minutes which will take PT away from Hayes - who we have seen is a very productive player in extended time on the court. You could start Yao/Bosh, move Bosh up and bring in Hayes, and have Andersen be that 4th big (or hopefully a guy we get with a portion of our MLE). Don't underestimate the defensive impact of having two long bigs in the frontcourt together, one being very mobile.
