Would the Rocket fan-base decrease if Yao was traded?

IMHO, he is not as stupid as a fool like you who called out other people's 'bad English' when your own command of English sucks.

 

depends on who we would get for Yao...

with the ROx trade history we would probably get like a trade Carter and Kidd first round pick for Yao

where Kidd would retire...

and Carter would demand a trade to get away from Tmac....

but then we would always have that first round pick!!!!

 

its hard to figure out the way the NBA works the BRI (basketball-related income) distribution by basing it on normal business practices....the NBA is not exactly the same as normal business when it comes to their finances.

It has been a while since we had a good CBA/BRI discussion here, but to the best of my recollection Mango is right. The only thing Im not pretty sure about is the *evenly* part. I think they have a formula to figure out how much each team gets but it is based on how far over the cap they are.

The problem is.....I doubt we are gonna get any of the CBA gurus to peek into this thread since it is

1) stupid as hell in the first place
2) a sure-fire meeting place for the worst and most uninformed posters on this board because of the stupid subject matter.

I do wish we could possibly make a thread to figure this out since so many fans are under the impression that the Rockets get all that money directly...when that simply IS NOT the case....the only question is how much the get adn how the NBA figures out the distribution.


btw....I told myself I wasnt gonna touch on the original subject of this thread, but I do want to point out that this franchise has been in existence for almost 40 years.....the fanbase has done nothing but increase over the years....even before Yao.

We were Rockets before Yao, and we will be Rockets long after Yao is teaching his son/daughter how to play.

and also....when given the choice between trading a very good swingman(which can be found on several teams) and a top center(which NOT many teams have)...you absolutely DO NOT trade the big man.

PERIOD

 

I’m pretty sure that international television deals, licensing, merchandising are shared evenly with all the other teams, but team and individual international sponsorships go directly to the team and players.

 

I'm not old enough to know all trades before. Is there any good trade that Rockets made in the past 20 years? If there's very few, don't trade either Yao or TMac.

 

SJC,


Licensing Deals

The Business of Sports


Handbook of Advanced Business Valuations

Sonics may prosper in Oklahoma City



.........If fans and corporations know a team is staying for the long term, they are more apt to spend larger amounts of money on tickets, merchandise or, in the case of companies, corporate sponsorships.

Ganis and Hinchey noted that the local revenue reported by the Hornets during the past two years excluded revenue from local television broadcast rights, national television rights and global merchandising revenue, which is shared equally by the NBA with all 30 teams.

"The licensing revenue alone is in the billions globally," Hinchey said...........



Henlley Limited Partnership


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On January 22, 2002, the NBA Board of Governors approved a six-year
agreement to license the national broadcast of NBA games, beginning in the
2002-03 season. Each of the NBA member teams share equally in these license fees..............



Hot names, top dollars - product licensing - includes related articles on distribution; Walt Disney Co success; and 1996 prospects - Cover Story


..........Make The Sports Team

While entertainment licenses are demanding enough, many small licensees say that they draw the line at pro sports. While a manufacturer with even limited design capabilities can do a single Batman property, major pro-sports licensees must come up with a separate image for each team in the league, whether it's as simple as a decal or as complicated and expensive as a plastic mold.


"You can't come and say, 'I can make a really cool Orlando Magic hat,'" says the NBA's Land. "You need to be able to do it for all the teams, because they all share equally in licensee revenues."............



Out with the Old, In with the New

Since all four major sports leagues share licensing royalties equally, it matters little to individual teams when their merchandise soars to the top of league sales rankings, though teams enjoy the added retail revenue from their own stores and stadium shops.


An older story, but it illustrates that the NBA has a different business model compared to MLB (baseball).

NBA Revenue Sharing Plan

In a quiet move in early November, the National Basketball Association (NBA) approved a revenue sharing plan that could give the Milwaukee Bucks almost $3 million a year and help the team compete against the big-city markets of the league.

The Bucks are likely to be one of an undetermined number of teams that will receive money from the league for at least two seasons. The team will have to apply for the money at the end of the current season and won't know whether it will receive the funds until next summer, said John Steinmiller, the Bucks' vice president of business operations.

The NBA will pay out about $49 million in fees collected from teams that broadcast their games beyond a 75-mile radius. The money will go to small-market teams that lag in local television revenue. The league will choose the franchises based on its own formula.

"You have to be a really small market with revenue that doesn't go beyond a certain level. And you have to meet certain criteria to establish that your team is being run properly," said Russ Granik, deputy NBA commissioner. "We won't know until the end of the season which teams will qualify, and how much they will be able to receive."

Steinmiller is confident the Bucks will qualify because the team doesn't have a lucrative television or radio contract.

The Bucks generated media revenue of $14.1 million for the 1994-95 season, far below the league average of $18.7 million, according to Financial World Magazine. In comparison, the Boston Celtics generated $26 million in media revenue and the Chicago Bulls had $23.3 million.

"This will be very essential to our existence in Milwaukee," Steinmiller said. "It will help us compete against Chicago, Boston and Los Angeles, which have large local television and radio contracts. It is tough for us to compete for players in that kind of environment."

The Bucks have a payroll of $24.46 million for the 1996-97 season, USA Today reported recently. The Chicago Bulls, which pay Michael Jordan $30 million, have the highest payroll in the league at $58.27 million.

The league approved the revenue sharing plan without much fanfare or controversy, unlike Major League Baseball, which has been trying for years to get owners and players to agree to a revenue sharing system. The difference is that the money the NBA is dividing up was being held by the league from past television revenue, Steinmiller said.

"This money was being held in escrow, so it makes it harder to scream if someone is not taking the money out of your pocket," he said.

Other than the Bucks, franchises expected to be in the running for revenue sharing next summer are Indiana, Minnesota, Denver, Atlanta and Sacramento, Calif..............

 

That is on target. Revenues that teams can control within their own sphere such as advertising inside the arena, building naming rights and local media rights go to the teams. Things beyond the local level are negotiated by the NBA and revenues are shared equally among the teams.

 

1.In the fall of 1988 the Rockets began shuffling players to restock the roster. They sent Carroll and Lester Conner to the New Jersey Nets for Tim McCormick and Frank Johnson and packaged Rodney McCray and Jim Petersen to Sacramento for Otis Thorpe. The Thorpe trade would pay quick dividends.

A 6-10 power forward from Providence with hands as big as frying pans, Thorpe provided some help for Olajuwon inside and would consistently rank among the league leaders in both field-goal percentage and dunks. From 1987 to 1993 Thorpe registered 878 dunks, second only to Charles Barkley during that period.

2.Prior to the 1990-91 season they traded Tim McCormick and Lucas to Atlanta for Kenny Smith and Roy Marble. Smith, a native of Queens, New York, had been a high-profile collegian at the University of North Carolina. He finished his career as the Tar Heels' all-time assists leader and took the team to undefeated records in the Atlantic Coast Conference in both 1984 and 1987. Sacramento had selected him sixth in the 1987 NBA Draft, then traded him to Atlanta midway through the 1989-90 campaign.

 

Rockets2K,

I had previously looked at the BRI topic on the National Basketball Players Association web site and it would take more "intensity" than I have at the moment to decipher the contract language.

I agree with this. I have been in the Houston area my entire life and have always been a Rockets fan. Mike Newlin, Elvin Hayes, Billy Paultz (The Whopper), Moses Malone, Rudy T, Slick Watts etc are still memories for me.


It would have to be an absolute jawdropper of a deal for me to say that Yao should be traded.

 

It depands on trade Yao for whom. What if a Rocket with T-Mac and Kobe?

 

haha, quite right

 

For me, I will still be a Rox fan as long as Yao retires in Rox team. Even if this team won't win a championship. Thank about it, if you've been a Rox fan for more than ten years, it will give you some very very special feeling about this team, right?

In the beginning, I was a YOF, but after years of watching Rox matches, I started to care about this team. Even if Yao is traded now, I will still care much more about Rox than other NBA teams.

 

if anyone who'll get mad when yao's gone,that'll be Alexander

 

Well, unless Big Yao is fed up with his coach, his team mates and his team, and unless he himself asked to be traded........he's going to stay in Houston all his playing career.

He is the franchise player. He is basically untouchable.

Someone high there in the management hierarchy of Houston Rockets have to be nut and completely out of their minds to even tinker the thought in their heads about trading away Big Yao who is now just about to enter his prime.

By trading him away, the Rockets lost overnight the love and fan base from China to become the hate target, the 20+ commercial endorsements from the various Chinese enterprises in Toyota Centre, the shoes contracts for the various Rockets........

That will be catastrophic !!

 

Thanks Mango, interesting read.

 

SJC,

No problem.

I was probably getting rusty since I gave up posting in the D&D and this was a good workout for me.

 

I dont think Yao is unsaleable.I do believe the Big guy is gonna be the last to be traded in Rox roster, but if he cant lead Rocket to the championship before his going downhill, or in other word, the team cant bring him the championship, I think get traded is a wise option. Michael Jordan was not-for-sale,Hakeem Olajuwon was not-for-sale,Tim Duncan is not-for-sale, this is nothing to do with the market,the fans,the commercial endorsements, it is only about the CHAMPIONSHIP!
Yao is starting to complain about his mates,right? This might just be a start.

 

Yes.

i will follow Yao change to a new team then for sure.

 

It is decreasing now. Morey and LA, WAKE UP! (and wake up Adelman while you are at it, so he can pack) If you stay the course, the falls are ahead.

 

yes it would by millions...