my vote is slcrocket gets Rookie of the Week honors at cc.net. for reminding us that THE JAZZ ALWAYS SUCK... [This message has been edited by heypartner (edited April 07, 2000).]
Outlaw, I have no real opinion on the matter since I didn't see much of Eric Barkley this year (and he wasn't media material last year), but I would be more inclined to draft Mateen Cleaves if we made the trade as you suggested. Rudy loves Mateen, Mateen has already been coached by Rudy and knows Rudy. So money says Barkley wouldn't be drafted over Mateen in the scenario you described. I do have some bias in favor of Mateen: he's had four years of college ball, is a proven court leader, has been to the final four dance twice and won a crown the second time around (unintentional rhyme). Nonetheless, I'm interested in hearing why you prefer Barkley over Mateen.
I don't have anything against Mateen but I think Barkley is a better passer, ball-handler and shooter and will have the better pro career. but I could be wrong.
Outlaw, Settle down now! Nobody in the earlier posts in this thread even mentioned that Duncan was a free agent this summer. So I chimed in and noted that for the record. Point being we might not have to sign and trade, though it's a practical certainty if such a deal were to arise. But don't be so contemptuous next time; it tunes people out to often times good points. P1st, S2nd [This message has been edited by Pass 1st, shoot 2nd (edited April 07, 2000).]
True (dat). E-mail clutch and tell him you're interested in a hoops game this summer in houston btwn clutchcity bbs members and I'll forgive you. rally some support for this; if we can get enough people together, we can meet some of the people we spend so much time talking to, and have some friendly (hopefully) competition.
Talking business, Stevie would be gone in a heart beat for KG, Duncan or Shaq. Webber, Carter, Kobe or Abdur-Rahim, then you have a close call--might, might not, keep Stevie. Contracts aside, yes I would part with Stevie & Cato for Duncan. Alternately, Mobley or SA, Cato, Walt + our picks would work from my end for TD as well. This trade would remind me of the 1st Barkley trade--Horeneck, Tim Perry & Andrew Lang (I think) for Barkley. We all know who got the better deal for that one. It is far different to get the best PF in the leauge before his prime, than when he is well after 30. If we got a young Barkley for Cassell, Horry, Brown & Bryant we would have thought we had the best deal since Babe Ruth too. As it happended it is a point of debate--none of the others we traded has ever made it to the WCF, we never made it past there. [This message has been edited by sir scarvajal (edited April 07, 2000).]
Stevie for Tim? Why would Tim want to come here then? To hope that Mobes didn't pass it out of bounds instead of to the left low block? ------------------
Cuz Rudy is a good coach who knows how to win with a talented big man. Cuz Les is a good owner who is willing to spend to get talent (but not arenas). Cuz a supporting cast of Anderson, Mobley, Cato and E.Barkley would last longer than what the Spurs have and is better than what Orlando has.
dangerous choice of post for a junior member. especially without using one of the international symbols for silliness. but nice name!!
If the Rocks land the #1 and TImmy say's he is going to leave screw tradding, I would draft the best person available and try to lure Tim over with a good team and a load of money. You resign your core and the #1, give Tim the rest of th cash with Chuck, Hakeem gone that leaves a lot of money and then there is stil that cash from the Pip deal. With Francis, Shan, Cat, Kenny, Cato, Wiz, Tim, and the #1 thats a team that could not be stopped. Then again that's if Rocks get #1, Tim wan't to go to Houston and the best luck ever. ------------------ THE DEAN
The bore-ometer goes way off the richter scale if we trade Stevie for Tim Duncan. Hmmm... a 42" vertical leap versus a dull, yet effective bboard shot. Duncan has no backcourt right now; he's not going to come here to play w/ a poorer front court companion and a gutted backcourt. If he's interested in this team at all it's because Walt, Shandon and Stevie are 14X better than what he's looking at now. Otherwise, Orlando's proximity to his home and their crazy depth are too tempting. ------------------
"Calling aelliott, heypartner, Davo or any other capologist." Mango ------------------ A Ranking Official in the Serious Police
I'm not so sure I'd give up the #1 pick, Mobley, Drew, and Cato for Duncan. Mobley, as much distaste as I feel for him, is developing into a good player. I think Kenyon Martin will be an All Star. Drew is a decent back-up point and Cato isn't a bad center (potentially, at least). All that for Duncan? A player who would probably need a different style of play that accomodates Francis & co? I'd think very, very hard about that first. ------------------
If we get the first pick and can get Martin than I wouldn't do it, otherwise hell yeah. Can you imagine a Cato/Martin frontcourt with a free agent 3? I do think that this deal might cripple us though in free agent terms. ------------------
Now slow down there guys! Let's take this one thing at a time. *Steve Francis in any Tim Duncan deal is out of the question. Why would Tim want to come to Houston if Francis isn't here? Tim wants to go to a team where he can win for years to come. Without Francis, why would he want to come here? *Shandon Anderson in any Tim Duncan deal is out of the question. Shandon and Tim are very close friends, and if Tim comes here it is through the persuasion of Shandon Anderson. *You guys are stirring too much into the pot here. Let's remember that the Rockets have the $4.5 million trade exception at their disposal. This means that the Spurs would end up saving a good $4.5mill, rather than wasting it on scrubs/fill-ins. Mobley's not going anywhere. This leaves you with Cato, Drew, Kenny Thomas, Rogers, Walt, and the lottery pick to play around. Orlando isn't in the equation as Vescey wants us to believe. San Antonio can do one of two things: a) Sign and trade Duncan to the team of his choice (Houston with the best young nucleus) and recieve the lottery pick+Cato+(Thomas/Drew/Rogers) b) Let Duncan go for nothing and rebuild around Samaki Walker, Malik Rose, and Antonio Daniels. The Spurs are reeling, and TD's not going to want to go back to San Antonio...we're pretty sure of that. Choice A atleast gives the Spurs some compensation, though it is not market value. Then again, what is market value for Tim Duncan? Steve, Shandon, and Mobes aren't going anywhere. We won't have to give that much up for Tim...San Antonio will have no choice. I leave you fellow BBSers on this one final fearless prediction: Tim Duncan will be on the Houston Rockets next season. You can print that. ------------------ $42million. 7 years. [This message has been edited by thacabbage (edited April 08, 2000).]
you know what cabbage , i will take that prediction too. but i dont think we'll have to give up mobley. ------------------ johnny "red" kerr:i'm glad the bulls did'nt draft steve francis. dan roan: why!!!!! johnny red kerr:because he would forever be compared to michael jordan.
god I hope you're right cabbage. because ever since you hinted at it 2-3 months ago I've been reminding myself: the Houston Rockets always get playerX. ------------------
well i also hope you're right cabbage. Don't get me wrong guys, I don't want to get rid of Francis. I just really want Duncan. Cato+Walt+Drew+Pick should equal TD's new salary slot right? If we're somehow able to draft Mihm for them that might get San Antonio to agree to it.
