1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

Would Dirk Nowitzki consider leaving Dallas?

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by djohn2o12, Apr 25, 2010.

  1. OGKashMoney

    OGKashMoney Member

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2006
    Messages:
    2,093
    Likes Received:
    35
    I would definitely not be drooling over him. I grew up watching Hakeem, Robinson, Ewing, and Shaq. True big men who would get in the trenches and bang it out. I don't like the fact that Dirk gets pushed around so much and so easily. I have always hated him for that and since he plays for the Mavs, the hate just quadruples.

    If he came to the Rockets, I would still hate him, but I would still root for the Rockets. Just like other players I have hated have come to the Rockets and players that I have liked have left the Rockets, I ride and die with the Rockets!

    But Dirk wouldn't be welcomed on this team. No if we are talking about D-Wade . . . :grin:
     
  2. professorjay

    professorjay Member

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2006
    Messages:
    9,676
    Likes Received:
    388
    Cuban and Dirk are too loyal to each other to part ways.

    Dallas hasn't won a championship, but it's not for lack of trying. Cuban hasn't hesitated with his pocketbook. The truth is they have made some good acquisitions, some bad one, but no great ones.

    And Dirk gives it his all on the court, never complains about his teammates, etc. But he doesn't seem to have that extra gear that Kobe, Wade, LBJ, etc shift into to absolutely take over a game or series.
     
  3. Asian Sensation

    Joined:
    Oct 29, 1999
    Messages:
    18,290
    Likes Received:
    7,445
    Until Dirk gets bumped to second best on his team or whatever team he's a part of.... He will not win it all.

    - MVP's should NOT get knocked out in the first round of a playoffs. Let alone by an 8th seed.

    - Supposed superstar's with arguably the best surrounding cast in the league don't lead their team to the 2nd best record in the regular season only to *likely* get bumped in the first round by a 7th seed.

    It's time to part ways.
     
  4. Steve_Francis_rules

    Joined:
    Dec 11, 1999
    Messages:
    8,467
    Likes Received:
    300
    The West was so balanced at the top this year that calling Dallas the #2 seed doesn't really mean much. They only won five more games than San Antonio.
     
  5. NMS is the Best

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2009
    Messages:
    709
    Likes Received:
    50
    As much as I would love to see Dirk leave, he is going to stay with Dallas...
     
  6. Air Langhi

    Air Langhi Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Aug 26, 2000
    Messages:
    21,942
    Likes Received:
    6,695
    Kobe really sucks.
     
  7. Carl Herrera

    Carl Herrera Member

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2007
    Messages:
    45,153
    Likes Received:
    21,575
    Exactly. Both of them are flawed in some ways, and both are kind of annoying for some opposing fans sometimes. But they make sense for each other.

    But then again... Hakeem was a Raptor for a while, so anything can happen.
     
  8. DOMINATOR

    DOMINATOR Member

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2007
    Messages:
    2,458
    Likes Received:
    256
    he's gotten farther than any rocket's players.
     
  9. keez857

    keez857 Member

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2009
    Messages:
    239
    Likes Received:
    29
    You should all be flogged for even considering Dirk.

    1. He's a DALLAS MAVERICK. Let me repeat he's a DALLAS MAVERICK. I shouldn't even have to mention this but why would the Mavs trade within their division?

    2. He's over 30.

    3. He's a defensive liability.

    4. No heart, no toughness, is soft etc.

    5. He's been the leader of a treadmill team for the last 5-6 years

    I'm sorry, but bringing Dirk here is one of the worst ideas I've ever heard. Some of you must be really desperate. Can you imagine a front court of Yao and Dirk? I mean let's be honest. That would probably be the softest front court in the NBA.
     
  10. da_juice

    da_juice Member

    Joined:
    Dec 16, 2009
    Messages:
    9,315
    Likes Received:
    1,070
    He's too much like Yao, except he's older, german, and shorter.
     
  11. Pull_Up_3

    Pull_Up_3 Member

    Joined:
    Jan 8, 2010
    Messages:
    6,089
    Likes Received:
    308
    1.At least he's not injury prone.

    2. AT LEAST HE"S NOT INJURY PRONE.

    3. No heart? Dirk freaking carrys the mavericks on his back

    Like the guy above said the dallas offense is all about dirk, give him the ball hope for a double team, pass for the open 3. If not dirk goes one on one, ive been watching the spurs dallas series and dam when dirk doesnt get the ball dallas looks lost.
     
  12. keez857

    keez857 Member

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2009
    Messages:
    239
    Likes Received:
    29
    Let's see you just argued two of my points with "Atleast he's not injury prone." Huh? I'll just ignore the first part of your post because you're obviously not proving any points there...

    I never said he wasn't great on offense, but there's a difference between carrying your team on offense and leading them. Dirk is not a natural leader.
    I could provide plenty of evidence of why that is but I'll keep it recent. Look at last night, when things got rough and dirty between the players, Dirk disappeared. Didn't take it to the basket, nothing, just settled for a bunch of mid range jumpers. Remind you of anyone?

    Oh and also let me reiterate: he is a defensive liability. But atleast he's not injury prone, right?
     
  13. JayZ750

    JayZ750 Member

    Joined:
    May 16, 2000
    Messages:
    25,432
    Likes Received:
    13,390
    I agree with all the Dirk is soft, probably not the #1 on a championship team, etc, etc, comments...

    though would, taking of my Rockets glasses, give Dirk a little more credit. The guy is one heck of a player and generally comes to play every night and in the playoffs. He had a pretty lackluster Game 4, but has had a solid series overall.

    Keep in mind, for example, that Caron Butler was benched for an entire half and only scored 2 points in the Game 3 loss. This is supposed to be one of their key cogs. All while Jason Kidd has gone 1-7,1-6 and 3-10 in the last three losses; but wait, Kidd's not a scorer, he's a playmaker - 5, assists, 5 assists, 8 assists...nothing special.

    And then you still have a lot of people scratching their head of the way the Finals was called in D.Wade's favor.

    Don't get me wrong, I hate the Mavs, and as noted, do find Dirk's game to be soft and his persona to be one that at times prevents him from willing his team to win, but it's definitely not all on him.

    Moreover, the biggest mistake the Mavs have made over all these years was letting Nash get away. If Nash stayed, you probably would be talking a few titles by now - even considering the Nash and Dirk combo would be one heck of a porous defensive twosome.

    In either case, of course you'd take Dirk on your team, if you didn't have to trade away too many assets and could fit it within your salary cap plans.
     
  14. Arun Sharma

    Arun Sharma Member

    Joined:
    Mar 26, 2010
    Messages:
    643
    Likes Received:
    23
    SA has been very physical with him. He has taken a beating but yet just look at his numbers from this series:

    PPG 28 (53.5% from field, 66% from 3, 97% Free throws)
    APG 3
    RPG 9

    Soft players don't perform that good when they are beaten.

    Dallas other players just goes to sleep during playoffs, and that is why they don't go far in playoffs.

    Kidd, terry, butler (numbers are down- both ppg and shooting percentage). They are not being doubled either.

    Dirk in houston? I don't know right now. But he is not a soft player. He does what he is suppose to do.
     
  15. Zboy

    Zboy Member

    Joined:
    Aug 19, 2002
    Messages:
    27,234
    Likes Received:
    21,958
    ^^^ A big part of the reason that Dirk got his numbers but other players have struggled is because of the defense Popovich used for the first 3 games.

    He used single team coverage on Dirk and put more emphasis on stopping the other players. Spurs players have been physical with him but other than McDyess, they are slow and short and Dirk should easily take advantage of them, which to his credit, he has.

    It wasnt until last minutes of game 3 and significant portion of game 4 where Pops started to bring double teams from behind once he put the basketball down on the floor.

    What's more concerning for Dirk and Mavs is that when they had needed him to score in last minutes of the game in game 3 and 4, he has come up short, even against the single coverage. However, considering he takes fadeaway jumpers in these situations, it is not very surprising.
     
  16. burlesk

    burlesk Serious business

    Joined:
    Jul 1, 2001
    Messages:
    1,958
    Likes Received:
    2,172
    You know, back in the day, the Rockets woulda been unbelievable if we coulda got Malone and Stockton on the team..............................
     
  17. ICanDunkOnYao

    ICanDunkOnYao Member

    Joined:
    Feb 6, 2010
    Messages:
    1,005
    Likes Received:
    38
    There is absolutely no way he's leaving. I remember a while ago Dirk said that he is willing to take a paycut to have more cap room for the 2010 Free Agency
     
  18. ocelot4ark

    ocelot4ark Member

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2007
    Messages:
    113
    Likes Received:
    5
    Glad to see some people in this thread have eyes. Dirk has been the mavs "weakness" in the playoffs exactly one time. He's done more than his fair share in the playoffs the overwhelming majority of his career. His playoff career averages in EVERYTHING are higher than his regular season. Don't let your hatred blind you. Don't let Chuck and Kenny get in your head.

    The surrounding cast and coaching is what's costing Dallas this series. Kidd has been non-existent in every playoff game he's played for Dallas. You wanna talk about choke? Kidd's done nothing. He's not creating open shots. He's not taking open shots. He's not hitting the shots he takes. Dirk drives to the basket 3x's as much as Butler. Butler's been pretty abysmal for a supposed "all-star." Carlisle's rotations have been ridiculous to boot.
     
  19. T-mac&Yao=RING

    Joined:
    Sep 25, 2007
    Messages:
    3,681
    Likes Received:
    30
    No way in hell Dirt leaves Dallas, I dont see Cuban letting that happen. The two would have to get into a big fight for somehting like that to happen they have too much history together.
     
  20. Pull_Up_3

    Pull_Up_3 Member

    Joined:
    Jan 8, 2010
    Messages:
    6,089
    Likes Received:
    308


    At least someone understands its not on dirk.
     

Share This Page