i do a sign and trade for eithe one of them...we still need depth at the PF position..and we are giving up only Rafer and JLIII....
Varejao would cost moe than Rafer (and Lil Luke). He would fit here so well. It would be wonderful if the stuck-in-quicksand Cavs GM Ferried himself out of the muck to make a deal to keep AV or much better yet to get him over to the Toy Shop.
I don't understand why Cleveland would feel compelled to take Rafer and/or JL3 when they already have a young PG that is much better and much more clutch at the end of games in Daniel Gibson especially if it means giving up Gooden or Varejao. No way in Morey-Hell is that going to happen.
Cavs should be compelled to lock Varejao up long term. Gibson is not much better, if at all, than Head - better handle/less shot. He is not, certainly not at this time, a 1 to take The King (sic) James' to #1. If Ferry wants to deal (and that is a chuckle right there, as he seems inept at pulling the trigger on anything) then DM the GM should ensure that cell #s are exchanged.
The last thing Cleveland needs is another tiny PG. Daniel Gibson and the worthless Damon Jones are just fine. The last thing we need is a guy like Drew Gooden who defines inconsistency. He is incredibly frustrating for me to watch and, after 5 NBA seasons, there is no reason to think he will improve. He can rebound OK but his IQ is on par with Stromile Swift and he makes way too many crucial mistakes that kill a team.
Yikes, I like Head, but the only good thing he can do is a spot up 3. THAT'S IT. Maybe he'll prove more next season if he's still here, but I'm not so sure. I don't know if you saw him in the playoffs but Gibson can knock down 3's and drive to the hoop fearlessly. Only time will tell if he can do that full time. Anyways, this deal is bad for both sides. Varejao/Gooden is not much of an upgrade w/ what we already have considering how much it will cost. The Cavs need a considerably better pg, Alston/JL3 is maybe a lateral move at best. I'd rather see Hughes still run the point then those two.
Well i wasn't comparing Gibson with Head as they play different positions. But I won't hesitate to compare Gibson with Rafer and JL3. Watching Gibson's play in the 2nd half of the regular season then seeing him literally blossom in the playoffs, i would easily rate him a better PG than Rafer/JL3. I can see why they want Bibby, a veteran starter-capable PG that will complement the quickly developing young Gibson but not necessarily a 2d tier PG like Rafer. But if you disagree that he is the kind of PG that can get Lebron to #1 then there is no way in hell that Rafer is that PG.
professoryjay, any scoop on why the Cavs and Kings couldn't work out a Bibby trade? Bibby would be so perfect for your team it's a shame. When I heard talks had started back up after the season, I just assumed it would happen.
I didn't suggest Rafer for Varejao was fair to Cavs as I think a lot of AV (and not so much of RA). I did suggest Ferry should lock up Varejao. I did allow as to how I would love to have Andy if Ferry won't pay. If DM the GM could put together a package to entice DF the GM then terrific. And, yes, I do not expect Gibson to become Sammy in Year 2. He's a 10+ MPG guy off the bench IMHO.
My guess, and I am not professorjay so sorry, is that Ferry can't hang in there during trade talks. He seems able to talk but not 'make it happen'.
NO TO GOODEN, and yes to defense! Varejao brings what we lack now, defense at the four (in a tower-shotblocking form, not in chuck hayes wreckingball-rebound form) He is a much better fit than gooden. He may be a flopper and have simpson's hair, but he is tenacious! His rebounding and shot blocking next to year would amount in some serious interior defense, teams would definitely look to play small ball over competing inside with all the weight b/t yao, varejao, scola. downside, varejao will not be the quickest complement to our sluggish yao. i think the chemistry of a quick 4 to foil yao's lack-there-of was maximized with hayes, and may be missed if slower four's get more minutes on the floor with yao. one could also argue that he is too slow for adelmanism. gooden IMO is offensively suited, but i would rather get varejao. gooden's deal is not something we want. do the cavs want to do this though? if i am cleveland, i wouldn't want rafer, he is no upgrade. can't shoot, then they are right back where they started. i think they look to add shooting/scoring over true pg.
varejao is not that good of a PF.. he displays 'hustle', has okay defense, but piss poor offense...pretty much a rich man's chuck hayes. We could probably trade alston for varejao straight up.. throw in JLIII for a 1st or 2nd round draft pick.
OK, but why is Jones buried? He has a bloated contract and an excellent 3 point shot. So, what's the beef?
This is quite funny to me. You may not think much of Varejao (I for one think Scola will prove far superior to him) but I can't for the life of me think how Rafer could be traded for him straight up nor can I see how JL3 is worth a 1st round pick (maybe 2d round but that's debatable). You severely over-rate Rafer and JL3. If they were worth that much, then why 1) Could Rafer not even come close to guarding Deron Williams or basically fail miserably as the starting PG down the stretch in all categories to include making an entry pass and 2) Why couldn't JL3 (if he really is worth a draft pick) get much more PT than VSPAN? I bet Aaron Brooks will prove to be a much better PG than either of those 2 in his Rookie Year! That's probably why Morey drafted a PG with the 1st round pick and why he traded for MJ and signed SF, because he realizes that all 3 2006-07 PGs on the roster were completely ineffective (4 counting VSpan) an incapable of getting the Rockets past the 1st round.
Watch the Cavs and see how pathetic he is. Damon is roughly equivalent to Luther Head but is a WORSE defender. He is 99% sizzle and 1% bacon. I'll say it again: He should give Dwayne Wade 1/2 of his salary because Wade covered up his deficiencies so well, the Cavs way overpaid him. There's a reason the Heat let him go and won their championship without him.
Your points are well taken certainly, but still the point is the ineptitude of Cavs' backcourt and financial commitment to DJ should have resulted in a more aggressive salvage attempt by their staff. Jones has some game, less than mouth, but he is not total dog stuff (at least if utilized better than he has been).
I'll defer to professorjay if he wants to chime in and disagree, but I watch more Cavs games than most Rocket fans. Damon Jones is a dog and has been a bust with the Cavs. It's not about using him properly; it's about his performance on the court. I give no props at all to Mike Brown's offense, but DJ's failures are all on DJ. He had a career year the one season in Miami (a contract year of course), cashed in with the Cavs and has reverted back to his career (below average) mediocrity since signing the contract. The season he had in Miami was a fluke. Every other season represents what he is, not 04/05.
It seems that Clippers are still under salary cap. Would they be interested in Rafer for trade exception?
