hah dont get mad over a post, you all are probably right... i am just a beginner, don't get too heated man hah, this is who New Orleans got: Casey Jacobsen, 23, and forwards Maciej Lampe, 19, and Jackson Vroman, 23 along with Boki Nachbar --- all for David Wesley.
These players all suck. Without getting David Wesley, we probably don't even make the playoffs, and we certainly don't win 51 games. We might have been able to beat the Mavs if we had included Taylor and a 1st for P.J. Brown, though... But I probably wouldn't have done it.
I thought that trade was bad at the time, but when we started winning it made me realize somebody, be it CD or JVG, is a friggin' genius. It really humbled me because sometimes I get to thinking I know a lot about basketball and then they show me I don't know jack in comparison. The author of this thread is making me feel like I know a lot about basketball again though, because even after the losing ended and all that winning came about, he STILL doesn't understand the genius of this trade.
Before Wesley joined the team we were 13-15. With him, we were 38-16. I hope we can screw up a few more trades like that.
We were 38-16 despite having Wesley, not because of him. One of the reasons we lost in the first round was because T-Mac couldn't guard Dirk and the Dallas guards at the same time. Wesley was undersized, and JJ could have provided the desperately needed defensive help. Oh, and Wesley's 19 for 54 (35%) shooting didn't help much either...
It's ridiculous to say that Wesley was the reason for our team's turnaround, we turned it around because we started to gel and T-Mac realized it was his team, and not Yao's.
Get over it. I'm not a Wesley fan, but Boki sucks. He contributed nada to this team and outlived his welcome. JJ was ok.
any1 think that maybe JJ was traded because of attitude? i mean people dont play for as many teams as he has w/ out attitude problems.
Exactly. We couldn't have two players averaging over 40 mpg that play the same position...despite the productivity of each. So yes, maybe we could have gotten more but at what sacrifice? Do we keep JJ past the trade deadline meaning TMac continues to play out of position? Or do you bite the bullet and pick up a proven chemistry guy with good defense? If you buy a new house and you havn't sold your old one yet, you end up making two house payments at once. Do you hold onto your old house hoping to sell it for a higher price (albeit paying two mortgages and tax payments) or do you sell it for cheaper so you free up your money and keep peace of mind. Sometimes dumping things for cheap is the best option as success isn't always defined by "selling cost." Sometimes you have to look at the NET cost. Yes, we could have kept JJ but at what cost? As soon as he was gone, we started winning. What more is there to talk about? No, I never called him an old scrub. You must have me confused with somebody else.
And that didn't have anything to do with him moving to small forward? Or for that matter, the better ball handling, passing and defense that Wesley brought with him? You're right that it's ridiculous to say that Wesley was THE reason for the team's turnaround, but it's equally ridiculous to deny that he was A reason for the team's turnaround.
Indirectly, Wesley WAS the reason. JJ and TMac played the same position. Trading JJ for Wesley allowed TMac to play most of his minutes at the 3-spot, his natural position. Wesley could come in and play valuable minutes without making mistakes. Wesley didn't "add" anything but he also didn't "subtract" anything either. He never made mental mistakes. Doing so freed up TMac to be MORE effective. Wesley @ 2 and TMac @ 3 was MORE effective than TMac @ 2 and JJ @ 3. That's what turned it around. The whole is greater than the parts with Wesley on the team. Not so with JJ.
Boki was an instant hero after he mashed Karl Malone. The only problem was that he always had more fouls in a game than he had points.
Wesley improved our perimeter quickness and overall team speed by bringing above average quickness to the 2-guard position and moving T-Mac to the 3. He passed the ball better than JJ and was probably our best open court player, in the sense that he always got us a few easy buckets by running the floor and getting layups in transition. We don't win 51 games in the regular season without David Wesley. Maybe Jim Jackson would have given us a better matchup with the Mavericks, maybe not. But we don't get there without DWes, so it's a moot point. That said, we should be looking for an upgrade during the offseason.
i agree with thatboyz, thats an excellent point... i mean wesley is a great player.. i just think he wasn't the person we needed to go for in a pretty big trade like that one
i wasn't sayin the old scrub thing to you, i was saying i appreciate what you said in your poast earlier about the position thing, someone else said the old scrub thing... good analogy on ur post
