Worse PGs that Steve Francis

Any time John Lucas was running the point.

 

Exactly, the only players who can finish a fast break on this Rocket team are Francis and Mobley. The fast break was also run fairly well when Walt Williams was here who was an underrated finisher.

 

What player for the Rockets is generally out front on all these so-called botched fast-breaks?

 

The fast break is pathetic but it surely can be corrected.
Francis should practice more about fast break passing.
Maybe he can watch the videos of Stockton with B.DAvis
this summer, instead of "being a better Francis".

 

how can u say this. Do you not see steve run the break, wait a minute it is b/c he cant. Most of this board will probably agree with me.

 

and what do you have to say about my JJ post above?


you havent responded to it. So im guessin u realized you are wrong.

 

The lakers have George and Kobe finishing their breaks

The Spurs have Ginobli finishing their breaks

The Nuggets have Carmelo finishing their breaks

The Timberwolves have Sprewell finishing their breaks

The Mavs have Finley and Nowitski finishing their breaks

The Kings have Peja

The Grizzlies have Posey and a boat load of other athletic players

The Rockets have Jim Jackson

Who's the worst finisher in that group?

 

That's a lame argument. Come on, STeve could get two
more assists per game if he passed adequate in fastbreaks.
If you watch the game you would agree with that.

 

you do not have to be atheltic to run a damn break. THe kings are not atheletic at all. When did peja all the sudden become atheltic. Running a break is all about passing.

 

Is this thread in adverse to the passive agressive Francis hating? If so, what is the point? To just get a rise out of Francis haters? It seems to me that you seem to throw logic aside anyway. So again, what is the point?

 

If dribbling less, passing more in fastbreaks and stopping
the jumped pass, STeve could have 7+ assists and
1 less TO per game. I don't think anyone would complain
then.

 

The fastbreak was fine with Posey and Williams. Better finishers, better fast break. Simple. You say its a lame excuse, but I see you didn't want to answer the question

 

Sure, posey allows steve to run a break easier. But you are just saying that you have to be athletic to run a break. Which is false. Steve can not run a break, have you not watched the games. I seen steve often commit offensive fouls cause he cant run a break.

 

Posey could finish a fast-break on HIS OWN. He had a long stride, large hands, long arms, and just has a nice touch for finishing the play. He knows how to time the defender and get them off-balance. This is a skill (learned), as much as it is a athletic ability. This is similar to how I feel Boki will be later in his career.

This has nothing to do with Francis. He does not setup his players on the break. This is because he has a scorers mentality. Not a passing mentality. He holds the ball too long sometimes. He passes to late. He bunches up the break by getting to close to his wing man. When it's all said and done. He's just not that good on the break.

Sure, Posey was good at finishing the fast-break himself. But a PG should make others better. Not depend on others. That's not the fowwards job. It's the PG job to setup the other players. Whoever they may be.

P.S. Don't you remember how Lucas "made others open?" He made it *seem* effortless. This a true *learned* skill.

 

Who said you have to be athletic. The Rockets are not a fastbreaking team because the other players around Steve don't get out and run. Jim Jackson can finish at the basket but he is almost never ahead of Steve on the fast break. Again, who are these mythical players that get out and run. Posey got out on the break at almost every opportunity he got. You guys are hillarious. You refuse to admit that the Rockets don't have the players to get out on the break.

Peja may not be athletic, but the entire Kings team looks to run. Its not about being athletic its about looking to take advantage of the opportunity. The Rockets don't? Who are these mythical teamates getting out and running?

 

Sorry, I still remember at least 6 fast break opportunities
single-handedly broken by Steve. He's a poor PG, especially
at fast breaks. Get used to it.

 

At least we don't still have Walt Williams.

 

Anybody can finish a fastbreak as long as he gets a perfect feed from his teammate. Even so called slow players like jj can finish it. The player starting the break must know where are the spots of his teammates running along with him. He knows when, where and how to make the pass. Whether its a 2 on 1, 3 on 2 or 4 on 3. But if the player is dumb or lack the fundamentals to even finish a 2 on 1, you're in trouble. And steve and cuttino are prime examples of that. They just suck. Though its important to have a great finisher in the break, his talents would not be put into use when somebody like francis starts the break. In his fifth year, he's still dont get it. Pathetic.

 

You are only going to take off sprinting down the court so many times before you realize that it is more likely than not that Steve is going to either skip the ball up the court and allow the defense to recover, or try to finish the break on his own and end up with a crappy off-balance shot or an offensive foul. You have to reward your teammates for running.