How about Shawn Kemp? Oh, never mind... you said "famous". ------------------ NOTHING BUT .NET CLUTCHCITY.NET
No he hasn't! He's been hanging out with Elvis. ------------------ 'Deeds, not words, shall speak me.'
To get the facts straight: Yoko didn't throw him out tolearn to be a better father. She threw him out tolearn to be a better husband. Sean was conceived and born after she let him come home. Had he not been killed I'm sure he would have worked toward building a better relationship with Julian, just as he alluded to. I haven't seen my real father in over 20 years. He too was not that great of a father. I don't go whining about it to everyone. Not one bit. I'm quite happy how my life turned out. I had the love of my Mom and my step-father growing up. My real Dad is simply a finished chapter in the book of my life. If he wants no part of mine then so be it. I've got my own life to live. I also find it peculiar that he would choose John's 20 year anniversary of his death to release a book about how much he resents him. I'm not trying to rag Julian. I like his first album. He's a good, not brilliant, musician. Living in his Father's shadow has bred resentment. He's been complaining about it for nearly 20 years now. ------------------
I'm with HeyP Woody Allen is a horrible Father the fact that he is not in jail amazes me. [Yet folx will BS about Mike Jackson with little real evidence but Woody had and affair with his adopted daughter for god knows how long . . . . .. ] Rocket River ------------------
Yeah...that was really the point was to get a list going. Maybe Woody sleeping with his adopted daughter wins hand down. My bad. As for John, I hope he would have mended the relationship with Julian but....guess it didn't happen. As far as whether it could have, quite possibly so...at least, we can hope so! I don't think Julian means to whine about his Dad. It's more that all the Beatle fans out there ask Julian all of the time about his Dad and the poor guy really doesn't know his Dad at all. He is sick and tired of being asked about him. In that regard, I feel sorry for Julian in that he has to live under a famous father and legacy of someone who really wasn't his father at all except in name and blood. But, Woody...that dude is demented. I'm sure a lot of NBA players would qualify as worst fathers, also. Didn't Dr. J deny one of his one nighters that produced a daughter for years? Surf ------------------
Well, we obviously have different taste in music. It was very well received by critics and I think the string arrangements were unreal. Also, outside of a few songs on that album, the hooks were pretty damn cool. Of course, there are lots of bands I can't stand and I wouldn't drop a dime on as well although I'll avoid dropping them here. Clutch: HILARIOUS!!! ------------------ Mmmmmmm. Sacrelicious.
I think that is a very accurate statement! ------------------ I am the b*stard son of LHutz. Huh? Right!
I thought the point was obvious. You're on the outside looking in. How could you ever hope to understand what went on? Well, you have their remarks on the subject. And you've chosen to side with Julian on this one. OK, but like I said: what's your opinion of the girl in question? I told you she exaggerated grossly about her age. Doesn't that make her a mean, lying, conniving b****? I mean you've got my remarks on the subject. I say she is one! If you think you know enough about John Lennon as a dad based on what Julian says about him, then surely you know enough about the woman I used to date based on what I'm saying about her. This is an imprecise analogy but I don't think you need to pretend you don't understand it.
Well...you and/or her are not famous so who cares. Us non-famous people criticize and make viewpoints of famous people. We don't waste time on regular people like your ex. That is how the world works. You put me in the spotlight and I will be criticized, too. Now, maybe you admins may take some criticisms every now and then but that doesn't make you famous(except for Jeff who saved our rockets...no criticisms there and Clutch for running a cool website ). I keep saying that I know enough based on what others have said, including Julian and even John. I am not siding with Julian...I could give a rat's ass about Julian. I am here to blast his lame father a new a-hole and find out who the other famous, slacker fathers are to point them out. If you say your ex is a biyatch, then I gotta believe you...but you are biased so I will take it with a grain of salt. But, Julian is not the only one who knows John was a poor father back in the day. Paul certainly knew it or he wouldn't have written "Hey, Jude". This is well documented no matter who you ask. Julian just knows first hand. Of course were on the outside looking in...after all, we are the little people. I didn't invent the rules...the media did . So, I take it you side with John...or you just don't want to voice your opinion on the subject and criticize the little people . Surf ------------------
hell Sedale Threatt looks to be on the list now. Dr.J's daughter is the Tennis player Stevenson. Their situation was a bit tedious. . . He had a wife and well . . .it had to be on the DL. It ain't right but it is a bit more understandable but he susported he in everything but name [i.e. Money] I could go into a Spill about men's rights and Abortion but i'll save that for another day. I do not think Dr.J is a bad father. I felt very sad for him with his situation with his son. I think in terms of Abuse when i think of bad fathers. . . not in terms of not being around/etc. Rocket River ------------------
jamcracker, here is the complete John Lennon Playboy interview: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palms/6797/int1.html And here is an excellent Lennon site: http://showcase.netins.net/web/reading/lenreads.html ------------------ When we tire of well-worn ways, we seek for new. This restless craving in the souls of men spurs them to climb, and to seek the mountain view. -- Ella Wheeler Wilcox [This message has been edited by BobFinn* (edited December 07, 2000).]
what about Chris Webber or Walt Chamberlain, surely one of the many children he conceived that he has never seen is in the running ------------------ In 1993-94 Mugsy Bogues averaged more boards for the season than Mo is this season!!
Did Hitler have Kids what about the Original G Bush, his kid has turned out to be fairly big TOOL ------------------ In 1993-94 Mugsy Bogues averaged more boards for the season than Mo is this season!!
I agree with Kagy that all we know is what we've read or heard in interviews. So here's some more from bios and interviews I've seen over the years ... It would be hard to argue that John was a great father to Julian. I certainly won't. However, he was by all accounts a wonderful father to Sean. Ever wonder why John hadn't made an album in 5 years before Double Fantasy in 1980? It's because he was being a "househusband." He stayed at home with Sean while Yoko handled their business affairs. He doted on Sean, practically spoling him. Not that it excuses his behavior as a (very) young man with Julian, but I think you'll be hard pressed to find any quotes from Sean disparaging the father that John was to him. ------------------
....so we expect more from Lennon than we do from ourselves, our friends, and our own fathers? ------------------ C-son
Bob...the difference in that quote you provided between having a planned child and a whiskey child...what is that difference he is talking about? I interpret his meaning of that word to be since Julian was a mistake, that this some how means he has a lesser responsibility to this child than Sean. He was taught that by his own father apparently. He preached what he was taught. And, alas, he went with that approach and behavior toward Julian...the whiskey child. Therein, lies his major fault as a father. Julian eludes to in his writings that he believes Yoko poisoned his father against him and since Sean was conceived with Yoko...there was much greater control over this parenting scenario by Yoko. Julian talks about visiting that happy family where Sean had every toy imaginable and Julian had none of that growing up from John. John's twisted thinking in his early years implies that since it was a mistake to begin with and he divorced/split from Julian's mother...that some how he had no more obligation as a father to Julian other than what's done is done and I'll see you when I see you. It makes me wonder what would have happened to Sean if he split from Yoko. Would he have split from that child, too? At least he tried to, in writing, make amends with Julian but how could he? He had already hurt and ignored that child too much. Actions are stronger than words. Some how, I think his conscience got the better of him....as well it should have. But, seeing as how Julian didn't get a dime of John's inheritance as Yoko is controlling all the assets....you have to believe that Yoko was ultimately the one who stood in the way of this relationship. The blame still has to lie with the father, however. I guess I still don't understand how John could not leave Julian any inheritance if he was trying to make amends in his later years??? Talking about a Jekyll and Hyde father. I still don't see enough reason to change my opinion of the man as a father. Surf ------------------
When I was 23, I dated a woman who said she was 28. After we'd been together for a year and a half, she revealed that she was actually 34. I dumped her-- I didn't think I could trust her. How much do you know about that woman now? You've read my description of the incident.
Yeah, he's only: * Got a bachelor's from Yale * Got an MBA from Harvard * Owned a major league baseball team * Had six successful years as Governor of Texas * Been elected-- sorta-- President. What a tool. I'm sure he spends a lot of time envying your life.
BK as with Gore. . . would he have half/ANY of that if his last name wasn't bush? Neither one them Worked for anything I'm tired of politicians. . . I want a person in office. . . . any people in politics? [If there are they don't get far . . . or they die mysteriously ala Mickey Leland . . Ron brown . . . ] Rocket River Rocket River ------------------ [This message has been edited by Rocket River (edited December 08, 2000).]
