Word framing by activists and politicians, especially from the Left

Does calling J6 simple trespassing count?

Or calling the confederate flag just a symbol of heritage?

 

@fchowd0311 thinks libertarians are fascists. He is from the antifa mold that thinks 80% of people are fascists. Don't bother. He says people won't engage him on the definition (which isn't true) and then covers his ears when people point out that fascism is by definition totalitarian and any ideology that prioritizes individual rights cannot be fascist. He also completely ignores the collectivist roots and nature of fascism, even though Mussolini himself said that fascism is collectivist and Mussolini evolved from socialism to fascism. You are wasting your time.

German Fascists learning from American Fascists | Page 2 | ClutchFans Maybe when you figure out that free markets and individual rights are not characteristics of fascism, someone will take it more seriously when you call something fascist.

 

Since the beginning of human civilization humans are the top sell a narrative that the world and and current hierarchical structure is the best humanity can achieve. Volatre made an entire fictional character in Pangloss based on this concept of wealthy well off people saying the current system is perfect.

That's you and American libertarianism. You stare at this:

https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/sites/default/files/fiscal-facts/ff_detailed_5alt2.png

And claim everything is fine.


There are fascists like ATW who spread the culture wars rhetoric and then there are wealthy conservatives who appreciate the work of the fascists that distract from economic systems. "Society and our economic system is failing because outside groups are breaking traditional hierarchal structure" is the key ideological backbone of fascist ideology. Libertarians contribute to that ideology.

There is a reason why upper middle class white property owners mostly middle managers, make up the brunt of Libertarianism in America. It's people living comfortable lives ignoring all the problems in the country and pretending their idlilic life with their nice 5 acre property with a berm pit to go shooting out back is sustainable and lashing out at people who don't have those lives who are complaining. That is the core essence of American Libertarianism.

American libertarianism is comfortable people living comfortable lives b****ing

 

That isn't the key ideological backbone of fascist ideology. The key ideological backbone of fascist ideology is, "Everything within the state, nothing outside of the state, nothing against the state." Libertarianism is fundamentally the opposite of fascism. Your argument is based on a false premise that anyone that doesn't call for economic revolution is a fascist, which makes you see fascists everywhere. You are from the antifa school of everything that isn't socialism is fascism. That just is not true.

 

Your definition of fascism is nothing more than a generic definition of "authoritarianism". Your definition of fascism would imply Jews in the 1920s trying make state governments make the spread of the Protocols of the Elder of Zion illegal as fascists.


You have a difficulty separating mechanisms ideologies like fascism and authoritarian communism use with the actual ideology and world view.

Nazis don't want the state to control everything if the state is spreading "cultural Bolshevikism".


Fascism is an ideology. Stop sending the ideology with mechanisms ideologies use to enforce their ideology

So yes the Central premise of fascism is maintained of the current hierarchical system in place at all costs even at the expense of individual liberty.

 

Some of the most famous self labeled American Nazis like Rockwell waxed lyrical about personal liberty.

 

There is a reason why sincere people don't want another fascist uprising to portray Nazis as movie like cartoonish villains. There is a reason why people don't want to spread fake stories of doctors like Joseph Mengele as some cartoon villain doctor who sewed together twins.

It's because of this paragraph right here you typed. There was nothing uniquely animalistic or evil in Germany that allowed Nazis to rise and eventually lead to some of the most evil atrocities known to man. Millions of milk toast conservative Germans were like "meh they at least aren't Bolsheviks". You have accept the reality that is how such evils come through. A multi decade approach of blaming all the ills of society on the marginalized outside groups of society made people dull to basic empathy of those groups.

 

Yeah, don't understand this thread at all. Spin and linguistics have a 10,000 year history with our species.
Is OP saying one political group is better or more subtle with language while one is more clumsy? e.g. "Stop (sic) the Steal (sic)!1!!(sic)" or "Lock her Up!11!1" Not a lot of nuance (or reality) in such statements. I guess there could be a point there.

But OP, I find this just an odd thread philosophically. I mean, of course people disagree on terms like "progressive" if they disagree fundamentally with what social progress looks like. I find the term "conservative" hilariously inappropriate for the modern GOP, which seems to seek a completely devolved society, a return to feudalism, but with a ruined environment. And then Fox doublespeak is also far beyond anything Orwell could have imagined for autocratic-leaning media. Not going to get people to quit using words they want to use though. *shrug* You see it as a problem on the "Left" because you sit firmly now on the right.

It's a human issue, but certainly getting worse as some factions agree to disagree on the notion of a shared reality.

 

Tariffs are the most beautiful word in the dictionary. More beautiful than love. - Trump

I busted out laughing. Trump should have been a comedian. No one BS better.