Word framing by activists and politicians, especially from the Left

Yes you are

 

Ya I don't think he's going to be offended or have issues with me calling you a fascist.

 

I mean the guy supports Ron DeSantis. Need I say more?

 

You seem to struggle shrugging it off.

I'm not trying to prove a point by calling you fascist btw. It's what I sincerely feel from my understanding of fascism.

 

I haven’t had the opportunity to read through the thread since I was last here but I will add the terms” “Fascists” and “Nazi” are over used as much as the terms “Socialists” and “Communists”. They are tended to be thrown out as perjoratives with little relation to what actual Fascists or Socialists are.

It’s a naive hope but I do think we would be much better off in our political debates if we were much more careful using those terms.

 

Then you probably should read through.

At a certain point someone dedicating this much time b****ing about Wokeism and trans people on a Rockets fan message board is not moderate behavior. Moderate people don't do that.

 

Sure. Unfortunately with the amount of posts and that I have things like work it’s often hard ti keep up.

That said having seen many political debates I doubt it will change my view that such terms are being overused and not apt.

 

That's fair. And I'm willing to like the multiple times I've already did flesh out my views of fascism but usually I get no reply or someone just regurgitating the same point that it's used too much with zero addressing of the points I made.

I suggest you consider that fascism just doesn't start at death camps.

If nothing will change your mind on it I suggest you not pretend you are coming into this discussion in good faith then.

 

I’ve not said anything about “moderate” in this thread or claimed certain people are moderate.

 

As with world view of radical moderates, there must be a balance in the force. If the term "communism" is used too much there must be an equal and opposite extreme of the term "fascist" used too much.

Just like with every other issue of the radical moderate everything must have a both sides or else the perception o get from the community that I'm some fair and balanced arbiter becomes damaged. It's a pure vapid aesthetic at this point.

 

Can't expect atw to b fair when analyzing Word framing by activists and politicians. Man is as bias as he come on the political spectrum.

To me it just sounds like he's projecting to what Republicans/conservatives do all the time.

Leftists have become masters of vocabulary manipulation and are constantly changing the traditional meaning of words to fit their political agenda.

Pfffft.

 

Yes Fascism doesn’t start at death camps. That would be the end result of Fascism. I can agree that there are certainly Fascist aspects of many of the posters and American politicians but outrightly fascist I don’t think so. The same goes for those who bring up Socialism and Communism. There are some aspects of posters and American politicians but not close to being actual Socialists and wanting the state to control the means of production.

If you’re talking about “good faith” wouldn’t trying to keep close to the actual definitions of terms rather than just using them as catch all ideological insults be good faith?

This seems an odd argument to say that unless someone accepts the use of terms as broad based perjoratives they aren’t discussing in good faith.

 

I don't think someone is posting in good faith when I've went through 1000 word comments about my views on fascism and this is where you want to comment on it.

Fascism is an ideology. It doesn't have to be a defined political party calling itself fascist. So yes a single individual might not be part of a tangible fascist party but what they are is a tool of fascism spreading fascist propaganda.

 

Yes that is what I’ve said and I’ve provided an argument for it. Do you not feel the term “communism” is over used?

Frankly this sounds like an argument for my side can do no wrong with its use of terms. You’re making the same argument as the OP just from the other side.

 

It seems like you’re personalizing this. Note I didn’t mention you in particular but yes I do think you use the term too much. You’re not the only one though.

 

And there needs to be some self awareness here from everyone. Everyone here is engaging in behavior abnormal of a moderate. Even you hence "radical moderate".

I'm a leftist. I have no qualms in someone saying I'm a "radical leftist". I don't display behavior of a moderate especially how often I post my political thoughts on a NBA message board.

So ya someone who dedicates this much time to right wing culture wars issues and craps on marginalized groups like trans folks this frequently on a NBA team fan message board is a fascist. Like they definitely aren't a moderate.

 

You didn't provide an argument for it in this thread. Maybe in another and I missed it. But your argument here is basically just stating your premise that both sides overuse terms.

 

Here’s a good example of what the OP seems to think is an existential threat to freedom.