1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

Wonderlic scores for this years crop of rookies

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by Summer Song Giver, Mar 23, 2004.

  1. Summer Song Giver

    Sep 14, 2000
    Likes Received:

    Larry Fitzgerald, Pittsburgh - 18
    Roy Williams, Texas - 17
    Rashaun Woods, Oklahoma State - 21
    Reggie Williams, Washington - 17
    Lee Evans, Wisconsin - 27
    Michael Clayton, LSU - 19
    Michael Jenkins, Ohio State - 20
    Devery Henderson, LSU - 17
    Keary Colbert, Southern Cal - 21
    Ernest Wilford, Virginia Tech - 19
    Bernard Berrian, Fresno State - 20


    Drew Henson, Michigan - 42
    Eli Manning, Mississippi - 39
    Ben Roethlisberger, Miami (OH) - 25
    Philip Rivers, North Carolina State - 30
    J.P. Losman, Tulane - 31
    Cody Pickett, Washington - 19
    Matt Schaub, Virginia - 30
    John Navarre, Michigan - 24
    Josh Harris, Bowling Green - 25
    Casey Clausen, Tennessee - 20
    Jeff Smoker, Michigan State - 23
    Jason Fife, Oregon - 26
    Matt Mauck, LSU - 30
    Eli Roberson, Kansas State - 11
    B.J. Symons, Texas Tech - 22
    Jared Lorenzen, Kentucky - 28
    Bradlee Van Pelt, Colorado State - 25
    Rod Rutherford, Pittsburgh - 17


    Ben Watson, Georgia - 41
    Kellen Winslow, Miami - 12
    Ben Troupe, Florida - not listed
    Ben Utecht, Minnesota - 22
    Ben Hartsock, Ohio State - 32
    Jason Peters, Arkansas - 9
    Jeff Dugan, Maryland - 24
    Sean Ryan, Boston College - 35
    Chris Cooley, Utah State - 32
    Tim Euhus, Oregon State - 34


    Steven Jackson, Oregon State - 28
    Kevin Jones, Virginia Tech - 15
    Chris Perry, Michigan - 20
    Greg Jones, Florida State - 25
    Tatum Bell, Oklahoma State - 18
    Julius Jones, Notre Dame - 16
    Michael Turner, Northern Illinois - 35
    Maurice Clarett, Ohio State - 20
    Fred Russell, Iowa - 9
    Mewelde Moore, Tulane - 19
    Cedric Cobbs, Arkansas - 14
    Jarrett Payton, Miami (FL) - 12


    Vernon Carey, Miami (FL) - 18
    Chris Snee, Boston College - 19
    Steve Peterman, LSU - 20
    Justin Smiley, Alabama - 21
    Sean Locklear, North Carolina State - 19
    Adrien Clarke, Ohio State - 24
    Shannon Snell, Florida - 28
    Alan Reuber, Texas AM (T) - 24
    Jacob Bell, Miami (OH) - 22
    Anthonly Herrera, Tennessee - 23
    Antonio Hall, Kentucky - 20


    Robert Gallery, Iowa - 23
    Shawns Andrews, Arkansas - 20
    Kelly Butler, Purdue - 29
    Nat Dorsey, Georgia Tech - 35
    Jacob Rogers, Southern Cal - 29
    Carlos Joseph, Miami (FL) - 7
    Tony Pape, Michigan - 23
    Mark Wilson, California - 30
    Kirk Chambers, Stanford - 29
    Max Starks, Florida (OG) - 35
    Travelle Wharton, South Carolina - 12
    Sean Bubin, Illinois - 24
    Shane Olivea, Ohio State - 18
    Brian Rimpf, East Carolina - 35
    Adrian Jones, Kansas - 17
    Stacey Andrews, Mississippi - 15


    D.J. Williams Miami (FL) - 21
    Karlso Dansby, Auburn - 15
    Daryl Smith, Georgia Tech - 13
    Teddy Lehman, Oklahoma - 39
    Dontarrious Thomas, Auburn - 24
    Michael Boulware, Florida State - 24
    Kendyll Pope, Florida State - 18
    Keyaron Fox, Georgia Tech - 16
    Demorrio Williams, Nebraska - 12
    Courtney Watson, Notre Dame - 24
    Bryan Hickman, Kansas State - 16
    Jonathan Vilma, Miami (FL) - 23
    Niko Koutouvides, Purdue - 28
    Rod Davis, Southern Miss - 18


    DeAngelo Hall, Virginia Tech - 23
    Chris Gamble, Ohio State - 9
    Dunta Robinson, South Carolina - 13
    Will Poole, Southern Cal - 14
    Ahmad Carroll, Arkansas - 17
    Derrick Strait, Oklahoma - 15
    Ricardo Colclough, Tusculum - 11
    Joey Thomas, Montana State - 19
    Nathan Vasher, Texas - 13
    Keiwan Ratliff, Florida - 18
    Jeremy LeSueur, Michigan - 16
    Keith Smith, McNeese State - 17
    Vontez Duff, Notre Dame - 16


    Sean Taylor, Miami (FL) - 10
    Matt Ware, UCLA - 22
    Stuart Schweigert, Purdue - 28
    Jason Shivers, Arizona State - 14
    Sean Jones, Georgia - 18
    Brandon Everage, Oklahoma - 15
    Will Allen, Ohio State - 13


    Will Smith, Ohio State - 23
    Kenechi Udeze, Southern Cal - 18
    Marquise Hill, LSU - 13
    Antwan Odom, Alabama - 10
    Darrion Scott, Ohio State - 12
    Jason Babin, Western Michigan - 22
    Isaac Hilton, Hampton - 23
    Uyi Osunde, Connecticut - 21
    Travis Laboy, Hawaii - 29
    Shaun Phillips, Purdue - 17
    Bo Schobel, TCU - 27
    Andrew Shull, Kansas State - 21
    Dave Ball, UCLA - 25
    Bobby McCray, Florida - 14
    Gabe Nyenhuis, Colorado - 7


    Tommie Harris, Oklahoma - 11
    Vince Wilfork, Miami (FL) - 10
    Marcus Tubbs, Texas - 21
    Randy Starks, Maryland - 20
    Darnell Dockett, Florida State - 17
    Donnell Washington, Clemson - 8
    Dwan Edwards, Oregon State - 29
    Chad Lavalais, LSU - 10
    Igor Olshansky, Oregon - 29
    Isaac Sopoaga, Hawaii - 8
    Matthias Askew, Michigan State - 10
    Tank Johnson, Washington - 16
    Darrell Campbell, Notre Dame - 21
    Junior Siavii, Oregon - 15
    Tim Anderson, Ohio State - 25

    sample test questions

    Hmm some interesting stuff here......
    Drew Henson with the highest score of 42

    Miami's not exactly handing those scholarships out to road scholars are they, Taylor and Wilfork 10 each, Carlos Joseph a 7 that's barely literate, Winslow a 12, Jarrett Payton 12
  2. PhiSlammaJamma

    Aug 29, 1999
    Likes Received:
    I think the only way to evaluate these scores would be to look at current NFL players Wonderlic and see if it has any merit
  3. Ottomaton

    Ottomaton Contributing Member
    Supporting Member

    Feb 14, 2000
    Likes Received:
    #1 It is actually below literacy, as the threshold score is a 10.

    #2 It's Rhodes scholars.
  4. Joshfast

    Joshfast "We're all gonna die" - Billy Sole
    Supporting Member

    Dec 9, 2001
    Likes Received:
    Glad Hall had a decent score, everyday it looks as though he might be our pick. Will Smith as an OLB is a possiblitly imo.

    Will Smith, Ohio State - 23
    DeAngelo Hall, Virginia Tech - 23

    Makes you wonder if it matters..

    Sean Taylor, Miami (FL) - 10
    Chris Gamble, Ohio State - 9 :eek:
  5. tozai

    tozai Member

    Jun 4, 2001
    Likes Received:
    road scholar...lmao...

    Can someone post some sample questions? Is this like an IQ test or what? There's some huge disparity in the scores.

    If under a 10 is really dumb, then what's really smart? I guess Teddy Lehman is not only superfast, but also supersmart.
  6. Summer Song Giver

    Sep 14, 2000
    Likes Received:
    Pfft, you guys obviousley haven't heard of the new standard of excellence that is the road scholar:eek:

    Anyway it's basically an IQ test except it's not exactly very hard, see the sample questions in my first post.

    From my limited digging around on the net I found that it really doesn't equate to overall success on the field. Only area it might help is the speed in which the player could digest the playbook, I wouldn't even equate it to intelligence on the field.

    Rick Mirer for example scored 39
    IIRC Randy Moss was extremely low on his.
  7. Ottomaton

    Ottomaton Contributing Member
    Supporting Member

    Feb 14, 2000
    Likes Received:
    Iirc it is a 40+ question test. My understanding is that most of these guys that do really poorly actually more or less blow it off, in addition to being really stupid.

    I have seen it remarked in more than one place that Sean Taylor belongs on the short bus. This might be a deal-breaker for the Texans, who rely on their safetys so much for reading the offence and calling out signals.

    I also believe that Jonathan Wells scored a 6, but for guys like RB's and WR's they don't really care if you are dumber than a pile of dirt, as long as you are eventually able to get the basics down.

    Read about the Wonderlic the company's site.
  8. bigtexxx

    bigtexxx Contributing Member

    Jun 12, 2002
    Likes Received:
    I sat next to Jonathan Wells on a flight to Vegas for New Year's, and I can confirm that the man is a complete idiot.
  9. NIKEstrad

    NIKEstrad Contributing Member
    Supporting Member

    Mar 21, 2000
    Likes Received:
    Maybe it does equate with NFL success. :)
  10. meh

    meh Contributing Member

    Jun 16, 2002
    Likes Received:
    Surprised to see the WRs this year has pretty high scores. I remember that both Rogers and Johnson last year had really crappy scores, not that it mattered.

    I would think that the score would matter if you want a player to do more than just his position. If you think about it, football is an incredibly team-oriented game. Each player plays his own part, and must HOPE that his teammates will perform their tasks for best results. LBs won't get their tackles if the DL doesn't block the OL. QBs can't make a good pass if the WRs aren't getting separation, and so forth. For this reason, the actual duty of a single player is very limited. So you don't have to be a rocket scientist to play your part.

    So really, you only need an intelligient guy when you want him to do more than just his simple job. If you have an offense where the QB must be able to quickly read defenses and go through his WR progressions(most of the time in today's game), then the QB better be smart. If you want a certain defensive player to call audibles after seeing offensive shifts and such, then you definitely want that guy to know what he's talking about.
  11. leroy

    leroy Contributing Member

    Jun 25, 2002
    Likes Received:
    I have taken this test twice in the last month for some job interviews. It is 50 questions and you have 30 minutes to finish. You don't get anything taken off for not answering a question, only answering it wrong. It starts off extremely easy (Joe is 10, his sister is half his age. How old will his sister be when Joe is 12?). It gets harder as you go. I have no idea what I've gotten either time, but I imagine it was in the 30's. I didn't answer anything I wasn't 100% on. I can't imagine how it is even possible to be in college an score as low as some of these guys did. You really have to try to be that dumb.
  12. Desert Scar

    Desert Scar Contributing Member

    Aug 1, 2000
    Likes Received:
    Summer song giver, thansk for the read.

    Know of any good cite with the consolidated combine results, I know the cite with the pro day scores.
  13. rrj_gamz

    rrj_gamz Contributing Member

    Aug 15, 2002
    Likes Received:
    It's pretty interesting stuff, and I know this isn't the only thing GM's consider, but it's a good gauge of how smart players are off the field...If he can throw, catch or sack a QB, it really doesn't matter...
  14. Manny Ramirez

    Manny Ramirez The Music Man

    Jul 31, 2001
    Likes Received:
    You do realize that (besides looking ridiculous in misspelling rhodes scholar) 3 of those 5 are underclassmen in Taylor, Wilfork, and Winslow. Now I did a google search on "Graduation Rates Miami Hurricanes College Football Team" and this is the first article I got.

    Granted it is a little old, but it is still relevant:

    "This continues Miami's tradition of achieving a high graduation rate among its football student-athletes. Miami has received recognition by the American Football Coaches Association (AFCA) as one of an elite group of schools to have exceeded a 70 percent graduation rate among its football student-athletes in eight of the past 11 years. The Hurricanes' have exceeded the national graduation rate for AFCA member schools for 15 consecutive years. From 1992-97, Miami was one of only eight schools in the nation to graduate at least 70 percent of its football student-athletes and that trend continues to the present day. Thirteen of 18 Miami football student-athletes who entered UM in 1996 have graduated, a rate of 72.2 percent - exceeding the national average of 2001 (59 percent). Since the AFCA began its national survey of graduation rates for football playing institutions, Miami has graduated 71.29 percent of its football student-athletes - far above the national average.

    Ten members of Miami's 2001 National Championship team earned spots on the BIG EAST All-Academic Team - the most any team can qualify for the honor. The 2001 season marked the fourth straight year that Miami placed the league maximum on the All-Academic Team."

    Amazing how many people still think that Miami has nothing but a bunch of thugs and dumbasses playing on their teams. :rolleyes:
  15. ChucklesG

    ChucklesG Member

    Mar 3, 2002
    Likes Received:
    I don't know about your school, but I'm fairly sure I had basic literacy skills before I became a senior in college.
  16. Puedlfor

    Puedlfor Contributing Member

    May 30, 2000
    Likes Received:
    You don't know what it's like, all I care about is this U! I don't give a hell about literacy rates, I'm a ****ing soldier!
  17. Manny Ramirez

    Manny Ramirez The Music Man

    Jul 31, 2001
    Likes Received:
    Eh, I don't know - have you not seen some of the stuff that you have said in chat??:D

    Seriously, so guys like Taylor, Wilfork, and Winslow are those in the 29% that don't graduate.

    But the point is that the University of Miami is still above the average when it comes to graduating its players and I dare say higher than many other schools that had guys with low scores like Ohio State, LSU, Alabama, Arkansas, etc. So, why not address these schools, Chuck? I know why because it is fun to get a response out of me, the lone Cane fan here.

    Well, this will be my last response on this topic unless you or someone else have a nonantagonistic question to ask me.
  18. ChucklesG

    ChucklesG Member

    Mar 3, 2002
    Likes Received:
    How is it antagonistic? Their scores indicate illiteracy, other schools have the same bad habits of letting underachievers pass because they're good on the football team, I have nothing against Miami (FL) because of this, but to imply they're a pantheon of collegiate athletics and academics is hilarious, and to try and justify people being in their third year of college and not have basic literacy skills because "they're not seniors" is pathetic.
  19. Manny Ramirez

    Manny Ramirez The Music Man

    Jul 31, 2001
    Likes Received:
    I never said that they were a pantheon of collegiate athletics and academics, okay. I just was pointing out that they do better than average at graduating their players. Call me crazy, but I got the impression that many people would have never guessed that (at least those who haven't been following Miami since Coker took over - really Butch Davis).

    You see, Chuck, Miami got their bad rap under Jimmy Johnson and Dennis Erickson - two coaches who could care less about academics. They reveled in the image of Miami being "bad boys". Butch Davis came in and cleaned things up and that is something Coker has continued (Willie Williams notwithstanding;) ). It just galls me that there are people who will never realize that Miami today is nothing like they were in the '80's and early '90's.

    And you misunderstood where I was going with the underclassmen angle. My point was it is obvious that those guys are there for one reason - to play football. They don't have a clue about getting a degree nor do they really want one, I would say. Is that exclusive to the University of Miami? No, I am sure there are guys like that at Miami (OH) but they just aren't as talented.:p But it is having that mindset that causes graduation rates to be low in the first place. I mean if you are not into academics, why be surprised if the graduation rate is low or that people leave early to go to the pros?

    BTW - I thought a "10" on the Wonderlic meant you had basic literacy skills - anything below that meant you didn't have it. So, of the 5 Miami players that scored 12 or lower, only one (Carlos Joseph) scored lower than a 10.
    #19 Manny Ramirez, Mar 24, 2004
    Last edited: Mar 24, 2004
  20. Summer Song Giver

    Sep 14, 2000
    Likes Received:
    Now there's something to be proud of

    purely antogonistic statement:D

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!

    Upgrade Now