Women in Saudi Arabia to vote and run in elections

King Abdullah is probably one of the most preferred kings in Saudi history. When you compare him with other Saudi royal family, he has been a star. I would even go as far as to say sometimes I think he would push a lot more if he could.

What others don't realize is that regardless of who is the king of Saudi Arabia, there is a heavy resistance to change internally (royal family, biased towards arab culture) and externally (clerics, religious leaders, Mecca, biased towards Islam) which is probably extremely difficult to overcome.

Taking that into consideration, he's done a relatively excellent job in his time.

I'm happy for the women of Saudi Arabia. I'm looking forward to other issues being resolved such as women driving, early marriages, unemployment, and hopefully this Shura Council will be more than an advisory council in which the members are hand picked by the king.

 

Can they drive a car?

 

Sure, but not on the roads, that is illegal...



Still a step in the rigth direction, now if they could just oust that royal family that has been raping that country and it's citizens.....

DD

 

Props. We might not think it progressive enough but it's a move in the right direction. You can't turn Saudi Arabia into a liberal Western democracy overnight, so I'll be happy for whatever progress they do make.

 

Sure. And then they get stoned.

 

So pot is legal there?

DD

 

Easier to find hash.

 

Can women in America drive? /sexism

 

A tiny step in the right direction.

 

It is good to hear that they at least have the intention of making change, but I think it is worth noting that this will not go into effect until the next term...which is in 2015...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...lah-gives-women-right-vote-2015.html?ITO=1490

King Abdullah is 87...forgive me for saying this, but I think there is a greater chance of him not seeing 2015 than this coming into existence (I guess it all depends on the successor)

 

Most of the royal family were not as convinced by this shura council thing, and the two next in line are around as old as King Abdullah as well. Interesting times for Saudi, they will face fresh challenges.

 

Rearranging the chairs on the Titanic?

 

Meanwhile, in Saudi-Arabia...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4469027...di-court-orders-woman-be-whipped-driving-car/

Saudi court orders woman to be whipped for driving car

CAIRO — A Saudi woman was sentenced Tuesday to be lashed 10 times with a whip for defying the kingdom's prohibition on female drivers, the first time a legal punishment has been handed down for a violation of the longtime ban in the ultraconservative Muslim nation.
Normally, police just stop female drivers, question them and let them go after they sign a pledge not to drive again. But dozens of women have continued to take to the roads since June in a campaign to break the taboo.
Story: Saudi king: Women will be able to vote in municipal elections
Making Tuesday's sentence all the more upsetting to activists is that it came just two days after King Abdullah promised to protect women's rights and decreed that women would be allowed to participate in municipal elections in 2015. Abdullah also promised to appoint women to a currently all-male advisory body known as the Shura Council.

The mixed signals highlight the challenge for Abdullah, known as a reformer, in pushing gently for change without antagonizing the powerful clergy and a conservative segment of the population.
Retaliation?
Abdullah said he had the backing of the official clerical council. But activists saw Tuesday's sentencing as a retaliation of sorts from the hard-line Saudi religious establishment that controls the courts and oversees the intrusive religious police.
"Our king doesn't deserve that," said Sohila Zein el-Abydeen, a prominent female member of the governmental National Society for Human Rights. She burst into tears in a phone interview and said, "The verdict is shocking to me, but we were expecting this kind of reaction."
The driver, Shaima Jastaina, in her 30s, was found guilty of driving without permission, activist Samar Badawi said. The punishment is usually carried out within a month. It was not possible to reach Jastaina, but Badawi, in touch with Jastaina's family, said she appealed the verdict.

Saudi Arabia is the only country in the world that bans women — both Saudi and foreign — from driving. The prohibition forces families to hire live-in drivers, and those who cannot afford the $300 to $400 a month for a driver must rely on male relatives to drive them to work, school, shopping or the doctor.
There are no written laws that restrict women from driving. Rather, the ban is rooted in conservative traditions and religious views that hold giving freedom of movement to women would make them vulnerable to sins.
Activists say the religious justification is irrelevant.
"How come women get flogged for driving while the maximum penalty for a traffic violation is a fine, not lashes?" Zein el-Abydeen said. "Even the Prophet (Muhammad's) wives were riding camels and horses because these were the only means of transportation."
Campaign to break taboo
Since June, dozens of women have led a campaign to try to break the taboo and impose a new status quo. The campaign's founder, Manal al-Sherif, who posted a video of herself driving on Facebook, was detained for more than 10 days. She was released after signing a pledge not to drive or speak to media.
Since then, women have been appearing in the streets driving their cars once or twice a week.
Until Tuesday, none had been sentenced by the courts. But recently, several women have been summoned for questioning by the prosecutor general and referred to trial.
One of them, housewife Najalaa al-Harriri, drove only two times, not out of defiance, but out of need, she says.
"I don't have a driver. I needed to drop my son off at school and pick up my daughter from work," she said over the phone from the western port city of Jeddah.
"The day the king gave his speech, I was sitting at the prosecutor's office and was asked why I needed to drive, how many times I drove and where," she said. She is to stand trial in a month.
After the king's announcement about voting rights for women, Saudi Arabia's Grand Mufti Abdel Aziz Al Sheik blessed the move and said, "It's for women's good."
Al-Harriri, who is one of the founders of a women's rights campaign called "My Right My Dignity," said, "It is strange that I was questioned at a time the mufti himself blessed the king's move."
Asked if the sentencing will stop women from driving, Maha al-Qahtani, another female activist, said, "This is our right, whether they like it or not."


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Apparently, the Saudi king has overturned that embarrassing verdict in the meantime, but what kind of society is that...

 

The Saudi king has actually gone on record and stated that he's in favor of women driving. Women have been driving in the less populated areas of the country for years. The problem is that there is an unofficial prohibition in the cities.

The Saudi king may be the dictator but he has to tread lightly in the face of a very powerful religious establishment and the rest of the royal family.

But I agree, (like 99% of people) that it is ridiculous. The problem is that the Saudi king has far less power than one would think on this matter.

 

so someone makes thread about a positive development for women in the arab world and someone else has to play debbie downer. whah whahhh

yes i haven't watched snl in like 8 years

 

So you think only positive developments should be reported?

 

Sigh, what happened to the good old days where Kings just killed all the religious leaders that didn't agree with them?

DD

 

http://news.yahoo.com/saudi-king-revokes-woman-drivers-lashing-sentence-190901906.html

And he did the right thing...

 

Nice. Was very happy to read that news.