[Woj Tweet] Houston and Portland working teams hard to get #3 or #4 pick

Going from 14th to 3rd or 4th is pretty long jump, I think we need some stepping stones along the way... maybe something like this

Warriors receive
14th pick (SG Xavier Henry)
SF Chase Budinger
By doing this trade they can get rid Ellis in a trade for other pieces, while also giving them much needed size to their back court with Henry, while still allowing them to add a young high ceiling wing player in Chase Budinger.

T-Wolves receive
6th pick (SG/SF Wesley Johnson)
NY 2012 Pick
By moving a couple of spots down they wont be reaching when taking Wesley Johnson(whom David Khan has shown interest in) with the 6th pick, unlike they would with the 4th pick... giving them their much needed wing player

Rockets receive
4th pick (C Demarcus Cousins)
The Rockets would get their hands on a "Franchise Center" talent, in Demarcus Cousins, giving them an immediate back up to Yao, and his eventual replacement...

With this move's we would still have enough assets to trade for Chris Bosh in free agency...

--RB

 

Personally I think the Nets are way more likely to deal their pick to us (which is a longshot to begin with) despite having the higher pick than Minny. The Nets already have a foundation and willl likely lure in a mid-high tier free agent, while the Wolves' future looks bleak and Rubio seems to be their only bit of hope. Favor or Cousins would work will in Minny, finally giving them a face of the franchise. Besides at #3 WE will decide who gets the leftover of our picking of Cousins/Favors (Cousins please).

 

Wow! 12 pages (and counting) over a tweet! Clearly the anxiety level in Houston (along with the gleeping for Bosh) is reaching new heights.

 

I think we could get Greg Monroe cheapley the Pistons need a C more than PF
so they like to have whiteside ..

Detriot Gets
#14 Pick Hassan Whiteside
Cash
Jermaine Taylor
(if nessaciry a future 2nd round pick)

Houston Gets
Greg Monroe

 

i wouldnt trade budinger right now...i dont think Morey will either. Landry was traded when he pretty much maximized his potential. Budinger still has room to grow and even if he doesnt become a semi-star, he'll definitely improve next year and raise his stock.

And that scenario bascially has us potentially trading three top 15 picks (bud was top 15 talent) for the 4th...I think it's too much

 

And why do we need another PF? Les seems hellbent on resigning Scola and we have an injury prone center coming back from a huge surgery and long rehab with no real centers to back him up. Why do we want to trade a backup center we pick up for another PF? You do realize that at the PF position, we already have Jeffries and Hill right? At center we got Chuck Hayes.

 

Of course, but do you want to give up some of our promising young guys for an unproven draft pick? If we are going to trade for BOTH the high pick AND a guy like Bosh, that pretty much means that most of the near future picks we own and a substantial part of our young core will be gone.

Anyway, some people have pointed out the possibility of using the #3 or #4 pick in a package or a 3-way for FA SnT. I think that is a more probable move... Unless Morey's sophisticated scouting has seen something really good in either Cousins or Favors.

 

We do not have two New York picks. We have one (2012) plus the option of trading places in the 2011 draft. We may not want to trade places if New York achieves a better record than the Rockets in the 2010-2011 season.

 

Doubt Morey at your own risk.

 

I hate to have to give up any of our bench nucleus. I hope we get Wesley Johnson.

 

I'm slightly puzzled over a hard push for what would have to be one of the two bigs at the top. I wonder if there's already been informal (illegal) dialogue with Toronto about what it would take to get Bosh. Why burn assets in this deal, unless Colangelo wants Cousins or Favors.

I don't see the Nets playing ball - they want their cap space, and they want their pick (either to use or in a S&T). If it came down to it, they would send the #3 to Cleveland for LeBron in order to outbid the Knicks or Heat. Especially since it's no longer John Wall or Turner.

The Wolves...I think there's a possibility there. That speculated 3-way possibility. Jefferson to Toronto, Rubio rights and Bosh to us, draft picks flying all over the place, etc. A lot of possible combinations.

What exactly does Portland really have for trade bait? They've got the #22 pick and what? Rudy Fernandez? Aldridge signed to a massive deal? Roy signed to big dollars and on a bad wheel? Jared Bayless? I don't see any way the Nets don't laugh and hang up.

 

IMHO, i think that any of the top 5 players names in this draft, will be well known by the end of next season. As a matter of fact, i will go as far as to say that there will be at least 12 well known players from the top 20 in this draft. This is why i say this is one of the better drafts that we have seen in a while. If we were able to get up to #3 or #4, getting Cousins, Johnson or Favors would be the steal of the decade. If we were able to get #3 or #4 and still have the #14, Morey should be arrested. :grin:

 

Just because you don't say it, it doesn't mean he isn't playing PF.

 

He averaged 23.1 min, a year after his surgery. Then it went down to 19.9 mpg, the next month and 24.1 mpg in the last month.


http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/ilgauzy01/splits/2002/

2002
February 23.1 mpg
March 19.9 mpg
April 24.1 mpg

 

Sure. Morey's trade of young talent has worked out well for us.. Donte Greene for Artest. Spanoulis for Scola. Landry for Martin.

Morey can always trade for more young talent by getting rid of old talent. T-Mac for Hill, draft pick swap, 2012 draft pick. Alston for Lowry.

Morey can also buy more young talent also. $3 mil for Budinger, $3 mil for Taylor, $3 mil for Landry, $3 mil for Brooks.

 

Morey has tried to move up every year as a gm.

He is probably starting at the 3 pick because for the most part the top 2 picks are pretty set and would take the whole armoured truck to pry away from Washington and Philly. And if he is unsuccessful with New Jersey, then he will be making his way down depending on how discussions go. And then on draft night, if someone is at a pick where a deal or agreement has been made, then a move becomes done...

It's due diligence. I am not sure he has a target right now, but more of a list of targets and his trying to see how far up his offer can move him...

 

The only old talent we have is Battier and Yao. (Isn't it something that we have been transformed from one of the oldest teams to such a young team?) I don't think they will trade Yao. My question is, do you want to trade some of our current young talent for a pick that may or may not pan out?

I don't doubt Morey's ability of getting young talent. But this is not a fantasy game where you just keep trading people just for the sake of it. At some point, you want to say this is the young core that is good enough to go to war with. You need some continuity and chemistry established.

 

yep it sure is.

 

Luis Scola and David Andersen are older than Yao. Jared Jeffries is 28. Hayes, Jeffries, Scola, Martin, Ariza and Lowry are vets.

Mike Harris is a 27 yr old scrub, not a young developing player anymore. He is a borderline nba/nbdl player.

Andersen is a rookie, but he is an old rookie. He turns 30 in June.

The team as it is constructed would mean more years of 1st round knockouts or missing the playoffs again.

 

Upgrading talent trumps continuity for championships.

Spurs got their 1st championship after getting all-star talent Duncan in the draft.
Shaq and Kobe came to the Lakers and turned it into a winner.
Heat won after getting Wade and Shaq.
Celtics won after getting Garnett and Allen.
Lakers won a ring again after getting Gasol.