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[Woj] [Shams] Rockets trade Westbrook for Wall

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by mikol13, Dec 2, 2020.

  1. blahblehblah

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    Furthermore the catch and shoot numbers I've seen floated around so often are comprised of just over 1 a game.

    Players don't just stop shooting their pull up/dribble threes and become jj reddick spot up shooters because those small sample size numbers are moderately better.

    Players don't stop taking bad efficiency shots they've always taken their entire careers just because some fans points out those numbers. Hell it's hard for them to stop even when coaches are advising them to do so.
     
  2. Bobbythegreat

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    No, it's not.

    I'm saying Wall has the fundamental tools to be a benefit to the Rockets, Westbrook does not.

    For Wall to be beneficial, he needs to emphasize the things he was already saying that he was looking to emphasize well before the Rockets were ever in the picture.

    We've already seen that Westbrook is incapable of being a a beneficial basketball player, he simply lacks the skills and has seemingly nothing between his ears.
     
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  3. Icehouse

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    No it’s not. You bring in players to fit a role in your system. If you have a ball dominant guard then what the other guards shoots on catch and shoot jumpers is one of the most critical data sets to look at.
     
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    Day 2 and I'm glad I don't have to root for my least favorite player anymore
     
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    He was pretty bad lol. If he would of played well, we could of taken the series to 7 games. It would of been a toss up. Instead he **** the bed.
     
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    Rockets Wanted John Wall As They Were Uninterested In Major Downgrade

    As the Houston Rockets scoured the limited trade market for Russell Westbrook, they had no interest in a major downgrade as they hope to keep James Harden.

    "[John ] Wall was singled out as the most intriguing option on the market," writes Kelly Iko and Fred Katz at The Athletic.

    The Rockets "still consider Wall a high-upside acquisition." Houston also believes Wall "is a better natural fit to Harden than Westbrook was."

    Wall hasn't played in two years due to injuries, but reports coming out of scrimmages he's participated in have been encouraging.

    By acquiring three first round picks, the Rockets believe they can become major players at the deadline.


    Rockets Had Interest In Trading For Thomas Bryant Before Signing Christian Wood

    The Houston Rockets inquired about a trade for Thomas Bryant before they signed Christian Wood in free agency.

    Bryant presumably would have been included in the Rockets' trade of Russell Westbrook for John Wall. Washington instead included a future first round pick.

    Bryant shot 40.7 percent on three-pointers last season.

    Bryant signed a three-year, $25 million deal with the Wizards in 2019.
    The Houston Rockets inquired about a trade for Thomas Bryant before they signed Christian Wood in free agency.

    Bryant presumably would have been included in the Rockets' trade of Russell Westbrook for John Wall. Washington instead included a future first round pick.

    Bryant shot 40.7 percent on three-pointers last season.

    Bryant signed a three-year, $25 million deal with the Wizards in 2019.
     
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  7. Easy

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    I agree mostly except that Wall is not a total unknown. We know his strengths and his weaknesses. He would be an okay but not perfect fit, probably better than Westbrook but worse than CP3. What we don't know is how he can play after the injury--and of course, how much Harden likes playing with him. IMO, a Westbrook-Wall swap is pretty much a lateral move in terms of potential success. Having a pick attached is a bonus sweetener.

    Wall is two years younger but is fresh coming out of a major injury. Westbrook was also injured. His abysmal performance in the playoffs could be because of his injury or because of physical decline. You could see how his explosiveness and lift were off, and those things had been his bread and butter tools. So Westbrook is an unknown too in terms of his physical condition.
     
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    Praying for a miracle and that John Wall plays really really well.
     
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  9. daywalker02

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    No hard feelings.
     
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    Would totally prefer Bryant instead of the pick. 3 big rotation of Wood, Boogie and Bryant would be legit. And insurance for Boogie injury.
    Not to mention he’s a floor spacing big.
     
  11. blahblehblah

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    Your blind faith and optimism is to be commended.

    Words, promises, potential tools etc are all could be, maybe, it's and buts. I ain't here for that in 30 year olds.

    I don't know what's in westbrook or walls ears or toolbox, I just know they both suck at shooting, are lazy defenders despite their great athleticism, two of the worst contracts in the nba and are terrible fits for the houston rockets.
     
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    3 pt numbers are the hardest to predict in the playoffs.

    Ariza could sing a song about it. Tell me why?

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  13. ElPigto

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    It's too bad we are hard capped.
     
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    I’m assuming it would have taken Gordon to make it happen too.
     
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    That's the whole point. They didn't HAVE TO trade Capela while his value was low due to injury. After they got Westbrook, they desperately needed another good outside shooter. That's why they HAD TO go into small ball immediately or the season would have been a disaster. Everyone could see how much better Westbrook played after the trade. That trade was a correct move ONLY BECAUSE OF Westbrook.
     
  16. Patience

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    Ugh, he should have just said "things didn't go as well for us in the playoffs as we would have liked" and leave it at that. If he is going to start pointing fingers and complaining how he was treated, I don't have much sympathy. He was awful in the playoffs, and a superstar should be able to know and accept when they aren't playing at an acceptable level.
     
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    It's not blind, I know the Rockets have an uphill battle, but they had no chance at all if they stuck with Westbrook. Now there is a path to victory for them.

    When you are trying to see if a player will fit on your team, it's best to look at what they bring to the table, or could potentially bring to the table. You say Wall "sucks at shooting", I say he just took a lot of the wrong shots. Bad shot selection can make anyone look worse than they are. If you aren't a complete stubborn moron, you can change your shot selection and take better shots.

    Time will tell on that one.

    Either way, I'll take a glimmer of hope, over guaranteed despair.
     
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    Taking wall's catch and shoot numbers, which he takes at just over 1 a game and then saying he is good at 3 despite being a career 32% shooter overall is nonsense.
    I'm not saying Wall sucks at shooting. The data shows he sucks at shooting. Bimathug reference something how westbrook was 78th on a list of efg% jumpshooter out of 78th players. Wall was 77th.

    As for shot selection. Walls 30years old, westbrook 32. Neither have change their shots, game or attitudes. Saying if they stop doing this or stop doing that isn't convincing evidence of it happening.

    Imo rockets would've better served to dump westbrook for cap relief expirings, than take wall... even if it cost them a pick.
     
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    We could have just sidelined Capela like they did in ATL...... Again.... he had a soft tissue injury in his foot and was going to be taking cap space on the bench either way. It was a lost season for Capela.

    I would bet if we still had CP3, we still would have made a similar trade if Capela had the same injury. We all know our window is closing fast. Lastly, Capela has been in trade talks prior to WB per my link. As you said, he was our most valuable trade asset.

    Only because of WB? Nah.
     

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