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[Woj] [Shams] Rockets trade Westbrook for Wall

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by mikol13, Dec 2, 2020.

  1. dmoneybangbang

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    LOL. You think Ty Lawson was better than WB. Nuff said.....

    No it showed what was capable when WB had some time to adjust to a new team and we had better roster fit......
     
  2. dmoneybangbang

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    $50. Rockets don't do better than a 4th seed. Harden gets traded then bet is nullified.
     
  3. dmoneybangbang

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    But I want to see your math and how you take into account an injury and new team.
     
  4. J.R.

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    League sources say Westbrook demanded a trade primarily because James Harden also wanted out of Houston, but also because the duo didn’t fit that well together. Unlike Houston’s rightful reluctance to trade Harden, the Rockets’ new front office searched far and wide for Westbrook destinations as soon as he expressed that he didn’t want to be there anymore, according to multiple league sources. Houston viewed Westbrook’s desire to leave as a blessing in disguise. Trading him provides another opportunity to make Harden happy again. Many members of the Rockets’ organization believe Harden doesn’t actually want to leave, he just wants to win a title. The Rockets need to prove to Harden they’re the franchise best suited to help him win one before his contract can expire in 2022.

    Interest in Westbrook was limited, since there just aren’t many teams that need a point guard, nevermind one who’s 32 years old and making over $40 million annually over the next three seasons. The Rockets did find three interested suitors, though, and proposed them to Westbrook as potential solutions: Charlotte, New York, and Washington. Trade discussions with the Hornets ended once it became apparent they’d select LaMelo Ball in the draft, and interest from the Knicks eventually fizzled, league sources say. That left the Wizards, a franchise dealing with its own challenges involving another polarizing point guard making over $40 million per year.

    In September, Wall was recorded on video flashing gang signs at a party, which NBC Sports Washington’s Chris Miller reported“rubbed a lot of people within the organization the wrong way.” Wall apologized for the incident, but league sources confirmed that the video helped fuel Wall’s departure. But any disappointment over Wall’s off-the-court choices is insignificant compared to the pressure the organization faces to win now. Washington’s desire to keep Bradley Beal long term was the overriding factor in the franchise’s choice to flip Wall for Westbrook.

    Wall became disgruntled about his future in Washington as soon as trade conversations became public, league sources say. But the market for his services was even more muted than it was for Westbrook; any team that had even mild interest in acquiring him also wanted multiple draft picks as compensation, according to sources. The difference between the two former All-Stars is simple: Wall is one of the most accomplished players to ever wear a Wizards jersey, but Westbrook is one of the most accomplished to ever play in the NBA. Westbrook is a former MVP and a nine-time All-NBA player; Wall is a one-time All-NBA player.

    For all of Westbrook’s well-recorded flaws, the Wizards still landed a player who was producing some of the best basketball of his entire career before the NBA hiatus in March. Wall hasn’t played in two years after suffering a ruptured Achilles in December 2018. Players returning from injury need to be load-managed to some degree throughout the season as they continue to rehabilitate. But the Wizards can go full throttle immediately with Beal and Westbrook. Every game will matter in the suddenly deeper Eastern Conference, particularly with the truncated season and the new play-in tournament rules guaranteeing a playoff spot for only the top six seeds; playing at full strength as often as possible will be paramount for Washington’s chances to make the postseason.

    This trade is a clear Hail Mary by both teams. For Houston, it’s a last-ditch effort to appease Harden before blowing it up becomes inevitable. It’s been two years since we’ve seen Wall play competitive basketball. He’s 30 now, and Achilles injuries are historically not kind to players so reliant on their explosiveness and burst. But it could work, as slim as the odds might be. Wall, at least on paper, is a better fit next to Harden. He has made 38 percent of his catch-and-shoot 3s since 2013-14, per NBA Advanced Stats. Defenses will need to respect his shot when the ball isn’t in his hands, which wasn’t the case with Westbrook, whom defenses sagged off due to his ineptitude as a shooter.

    “With the level Brad is playing, I don’t need to be a ball-dominant guy,” Wall told me for a feature story on the Wizards that was published in July. “To be honest, I wish it was like that for a long time. But it all comes in time and being patient. I’m happy not being on the ball 24/7, pushing the pace, creating everything. That **** is tiring.” Plug in Harden for Beal, and that’s music to the Rockets’ ears, if Wall walks the walk. Add in a bevy of 3-and-D wings, a versatile big in Christian Wood, and a new system under a new coach, and the Rockets could potentially improve next season. And if Wall can bring something out in his former Kentucky teammate DeMarcus Cousins, who joined Houston after a lengthy rehabilitation of his own, the Rockets will be even more formidable.

    That’s a lot of ifs, though. There’s no certainty for either team involved. Wall-for-Westbrook is one of the bigger trades involving high-profile names in recent league history, but it’s really just a gamble on both ends. It’s a roll of the dice by two franchises that need to win now or their true stars, Harden and Beal, are goners.
     
  5. Bobbythegreat

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    No, that's just something you started saying when you wanted to change the subject. Anyway, I don't see how continuing to argue with a Westbrook simp is going to lead to anything productive. Your guy was barely a top 10 player on the Rockets roster last season, but by all means, keep going on about how amazing you think he is. I'm happy enough with him being gone.
     
  6. YOLO

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    The rockets record of 44-28 is the standard since that's what they were this past year. So whether you think theyll be better than that or worse is on you. If the record is worse then lets bet. simple as that. $50 easy
     
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  7. dmoneybangbang

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    Is Harden accountable or not? I tend to agree with the latter.
     
  8. YOLO

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    and you're welcome to use the search button. if you were a better poster I'd take time to repost the countless posts I've done, but you're not so you can do the work since you're asking for it
     
  9. ElPigto

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    No **** he wants to win a title. Tilman dismantled a very good team because of his damn cheapness so of course Harden wants to see if he can win elsewhere. Nothing wrong with this.
     
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  10. dmoneybangbang

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    Lets just be honest..... you dont take account adjusting to a new team and his injury.
     
  11. YOLO

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    lets be honest you want others to do the work for you
     
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  12. dmoneybangbang

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    $50 for the Rockets not winning 61% of games (44-28).
     
  13. dmoneybangbang

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    So then I was right.... why didn't you just say you dont have those numbers?
     
  14. icewill36

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    wrong. Portland, Denver and Miami are all better shooting teams than the rockets and ALL faced double teams, and all got their **** pushed in by the eventual champions. lol@ the assertion you can't be doubled because of a few guys that can shoot. even without Westbrook the rockets are not a good shooting team, so why try to focus on him as being at fault? you don't need every guy on the court to he a good shooter to have a great offense. every laker isn't a shooter yet somehow they still won it all hmmm
     
  15. YOLO

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    you do understand that's the same exact thing I posted. better or worse than 44-28 record. quit stalling. are you going to bet they will have a worse record than that or not. This isn't hard
     
  16. YOLO

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    because you seem to not understand english. when ive posted the numbers over and over and over. and the search button is there for a reason. nobody else is at your mercy for being lazy and naïve. that's a you problem
     
  17. dmoneybangbang

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    I wasn't stalling.... I'm down.
     
  18. YOLO

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    done. $50

    you have the under of 44-28. I have the over 44-28. I'll be sure to bump when the season is over
     
  19. dmoneybangbang

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    Well how do adjust your numbers to account for a new team? An injury? Context is always king.
     
  20. HP3

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    No they didnt? What are you talking about? The only team that had similar amount of trapping/double teams was Portland. You are factually incorrect. Lakers were so dominant inside that it opened up their game from the outside. We didnt have an AD on our team. We had one of the worst players that is supposedly all star levels. All of his stats...ALL OF THEM show he was a negative on the floor for us. He killed OUR offense. He killed OUR defense. So did Rivers. You dont need to be a great shooter to be in an NBA offense you just dont need to be a TERRIBLY HISTORIC bad shooter that Westbrook was.

     
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