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Woj: Rockets want to trade Harden "sooner rather than later"

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by justtxyank, Dec 18, 2020.

  1. riko

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    Yes if he can say healthy he has unlimited potential. Unlike Simmons he is supremely talented on offense . He can virtually score at any spot on the floor.
     
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    Hoops feature: Rockets and 76ers are talking again regarding a trade for Harden . Not sure how credible they are though
     
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    Those teams had their chance.

    Their loss, Rockets gain.

    Harden is the best player in NBA, just needs some help.

    Especially on defense.

     
  4. Corrosion

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    Come on man.

    A team with Tatum and 4 dudes from the YMCA doesn't make the playoffs in the East while Harden and 4 dudes from the YMCA are actual contenders in a much tougher West.
     
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  5. CXbby

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    I hope they don't trade Harden. But if they do, MPJ is the only guy I want. A few more months he might become untouchable.
     
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    If his back really isn't an issue - this dude, still 22, will indeed be a superstar in this league - book it. However, given his genetics...i read an article about his athletic family and the laundry list of injuries, primarily acls (his sister retired of knee injuries and another tore her ACL 5 times in high school/college), ankles and now back injuries they've had to endure, and quite honestly it's pretty disturbing. I hope the back was his only major injury and it doesn't flare up again down the line because I think this kid is destined for some big things. Too much skill at 6'10.
     
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    he needs to be the #1 target if trading Harden

    ain’t nothing to talk about with Philly...they can keep Ben “I will never be able to shoot” Simmons...u have fun with that oversized PG that can’t shoot a lick Morey

    MPJ has a pure jumper and has tremendous potential as a 6’10 scorer
     
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  8. Plowman

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    MPJ IS NOT the centerpiece for a Beard deal.

    Some of you folks are too easily satisfied/desperate.
     
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    But Ben Simmons is?
     
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    Diamond Hands
     
  11. CXbby

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    Mpj could have had 40 or 50 last night he was making everything but the nuggets inexplicably go away from him. The system is more important than the player over there. On the Rockets where we cater to individual talent his numbers would skyrocket. Dude is already one of the most efficient players in the league and he takes some tough heavily contested 3s. Honestly reminds me of the situation Harden was in okc playing behind Kd and russ. If you dug into his numbers you knew he would be a star, same with mpj.
     
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    Why are some of us so easily swayed by one game? Does it only take one single game to believe that this guy should be THE centerpiece in a Harden trade? I guess I shouldn't be surprised given how some on here probably thought we had an heir apparent to Hakeem when Kelvin Cato blocked 7 shots in a preseason game.
     
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  13. CXbby

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    One game? Do some of you not even follow the nba?
     
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    Are you talking about the very small sample size from last year where he started the last 5-6 games? Or are you referring to the uneven performance he had during the bubble playoffs? Porter is a solid player but what Harden had by year 2 that Porter still needs to show is consistency. I'm not going to trade one of the greatest scorers of all time for a still-yet-to-be-proven player with injury history.
     
  15. Space Ghost

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    Its bizarre.
    Did fans really forget Harden can put up 40+ points on any given night? Even Westbrook can do that. And somehow his value has gone up?

    At the end of the day, other teams who are more objective are asking themselves; Did he win the game? Is he finally playing the entire floor, especially defense? Is he displaying leadership skills for a player of his caliber?
     
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    In my mind there's no trade out there that will bring us back equal value for Harden. That's just reality. Even a three way trade that could net us, say, Ben Simmons and Zach Lavine plus picks wouldn't make up for what Harden can do. Can MPJ be that guy that can carry a team? I'm not dismissing it but I guess all I'm asking is to see a larger sample size of consistent productivity before we determine this guy is the next superstar. He was amazing in high school but then that back injury took him out of college ball. If we want to take a flyer on a player with injury history, sure, but let's see what he can consistently put on the floor as a start first. It's not like there are other super stars out there on Harden's level that can be had.
     
  17. CXbby

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    I want to keep Harden first and foremost like I said.

    Porter is widely regarded as one of the best up and coming young players. He's actually much better than whatever he is regarded as because he is stuck playing third fiddle on the nuggets. With his efficiency he would be putting up >25 ppg on his own team. As for sample size he's a second year player, the sample is only so much for every second year player. Would you not trade for Zion, or a second year lebron due to sample? The #1 pick every year comes out with 0 nba sample size and is still obviously one of the most valuable assets there is. Mpj would have easily been the #1 pick in this year's draft.

    Also he doesn't have an "injury history". He had an injury, which he has recovered from. It was a herniated disk and there is 7% chance of reherniate, which would mean another surgery and full recovery.
     
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    Fair points. Thanks for the rationale.
     
  19. Verbal Christ

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    If its Jamal Murray AND MPJ that might make me perk up, but MPJ is bad at defense and fighting for position for his size and seems only focused on scoring regardless of the context of the game. He is a black hole and once the ball reaches him everyone else may as just watch the show and stop moving. TWO back surgeries - the second to fix the complications from the first and still that is supposed to be "no big deal" for a guy thats supposed to be a #1 franchise guy? Yikes.

    Im not making a case for anyone else in particular - Porter Jr is a nice complimentary piece and great shooting will ALWAYS have a place in the NBA. I just dont understand the argument when headlining him for James Edward Harden Jr.
     
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  20. JayZ750

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    I like MPJ, and potentially even better than Ben Simmons, but so far he seems like an off ball scorer for the most part. Not a creator so to speak.

    Need him and Murray or him and Brown type thing... but not sure how that's possible.

    @Plowman can you throw out a few players that are what would be ideal centerpiece back?
     

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