Just because you repeat it does not make it anymore right. As the Georgetown law professor said: Is it legal to use someone's Wi-Fi connection to browse the Web if they haven't put a password on it? Nobody really knows. "It's a totally open question in the law," says Neal Katyal, a professor of criminal law at Georgetown University. "There are arguments on both sides." You can repeat a million times that it is a crime, the law professor says otherwise, and so do I, a trained lawyer. Certainly you should be able to find other trained lawyers to support your point of view (after all, there are enough out there), but it is almost ridiculous to hear you repeat your opinion over and over again and make it sound like it is the law. Maybe it is just too complex for you, but don't worry, it's ok.
That is right in most cases, if it is clear that it is a crime. In the case of accessing someone else's unsecured wireless network, that is not the case.
I have never heard of anyone "opening their telephone signal" for others to use. In this thread, we have already had two people (bigtexxx and Buck Turgidson) saying that they purposely leave their wireless network open and unsecured for others to use. Also, if you look at the screenshot I posted, if people select the option that anyone can access their network, why would they have a right to claim that it is a crime to do so? The wireless access point is by default designed to be accessed by anyone within range (and so are many wireless network cards by default designed to use any open wireless access point, they just look for the next signal). I have never heard of anyone's phone line being designed for anyone to use. I don't even know how you could have the ridiculous idea that this is comparable.
No, it was just hard to even understand what you were trying to say because there were so many typos in that sentence.
Of course hearing you banter on continuously isn't ridiculous at all. At least we have given example after example of why its theft. Your examples havent even made sense (i.e. Sirius Radio). I guess because you are a lawyer that your opinion does make it law. I can see how this is too complex for idiot non-lawyers like us. Only people with super educations like yourself can grasp these highly complicated issues. I think your overstuffed head doesnt have room for common sense anymore because you cant grasp the idea of stealing. I guess it isnt complex enough for you to understand because feeble minded people like myself dont not see to have a problem. You remind me of Peter from Office Space when he is trying to validate stealing the money from Initech. "No, that's the jar. I'm talking about the tray, the pennies for everybody."
what law is he addressing? Federal? Maryland law? He is probably not address Texas law right? Im addressing Texas law, which seems to pretty much outline that unauthorized use of telecommunications, is considered "theft". Re: "Trained lawyer"
THERE IS NO CRIMINAL STATUTE REGARDING ACCESS TO OPEN WIRELESS NETWORKS ON THE BOOKS IN THE STATE OF TEXAS, HARRIS COUNTY, OR THE CITY OF HOUSTON. Repeatedly calling it a "crime" does not make it so.
Good luck pursuing your career as a district attorney, I can see many convictions for theft by wi-fi mooching of unsecured open wireless access points on the horizon based on your efforts... ...NOT .
uuh...because alot of people dont bother checking every configuration screens? Im not a lawyer..but I am a tech ..and I can tell you that the people that bother to properly configure their technology are few and far between... It may not be actually a "law" yet...but it damn sure is using something without someone's permission and as such is immoral and unethical... you are being a ass Det.....the aregument didnt call for it...and I think it pathetic that you felt the need to attack... and dont even try to tell me I dont understand the difference between wardriving and actively accessing someone's unsecured network... they ARE NOT THE SAME THING......wardriving MAY lead to unauthorized access....but it certainly isnt the same thing.
There is a statute which clearly says that theft of telecommunication service is a crime. Is broadband access not "telecommunication"?
That is your opinion. It can easily be argued that an implied permission was given by leaving it open. I respect your opinion. Obviously, I am being an ass. But if you re-read the thread, you will see that there is more than one ass in it . That is correct, but what other purpose does the wardriving serve? To make the owners of the access points aware of the fact that they have not secured their access point? Not all wardrivers do that.
What constitutes "consent" in this case? You don't know, I don't either, and it's not been explained by statute or legal precedent. You should be arguing the ethics of the situation, not the legality, which was the original point of this thread anyway.
You are discussing a signal with information on it. Using that medium, whether it is via a cable or transmitted through the air, without permission is not right. You have never gone to someone elses house and used their phone? Would you use their phone without permission? How is it any different? Some people wouldnt mind you using their phone and some people would. Should we have to put padlocks on our phones anytime someone comes to our house? It isnt secure. You may or may not be hurting their phone/phone line or costing them money. People that make a local call that doesnt cause anyone harm isnt a big deal and I doubt anyone would care. Someone that comes over and calls overseas or makes a bomb threat is abuse. Some people just dont want you using their phone without permission because its rude. What about people that do not know how to configure the security features? Not everyone has the same interface that you do when they use their routers/network cards. Some are more difficult than others use and they are intimidated by technology. Does that make them fair game? Do you know what this all comes down to? Mutual respect. No it may not be a crime but it sure as hell isnt your internet to leech off of.
(Mootar) morons. (Mootar) these people who live in my apartment complex are connected to my wireless (Mootar) they must think they're super-cool hackers by breaking into my completely unsecure network (Mootar) unfortunatly, the connection works both ways (Mootar) long story short, they now have loads of horse p*rn on their computer
