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Wings: DM and his staff's achilles heal

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by roslolian, Mar 6, 2011.

  1. mazinger

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    Batumn way better than Lee? Damn dude, you're smoking some good ****. lay off the pipe.
     
  2. Noob Cake

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    Fail post, Morey spent his only lotto pick on a PF, PPat is doing well.
     
  3. Carl Herrera

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    Did Morey and his staff injure their ankles? Glad to hear that they have healed, though. Not sure how it effects their job performance but still you don't want to hear anyone with an ankle injury.
     
  4. lost_elephant

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    DM did everything he could to get Brandon Roy. I think his scouts did a good job on that guy, but unfortunately we weren't able to land him. I know Roy has injury problems now, but Minny would've trade Foye for Roy 100 times out of 100 now, even with Roy's injuries (Yes, I know Foye isn't with Minny anymore)
     
  5. GATER

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    First and foremost. Rockets' $Ball as defined by Morey is NOT using every resource available. Rockets' $Ball is Quantitative Analysis based upon an arithmatic formula. Every resource might be used in the end decision. But $Ball is an entity in and off itself.

    Let me repeat. The end decision MAY have other inputs. But Rockets $Ball is purely an arithmatic value sytem.

    Secondly, you're perception that there are no Fr/Sophs after the Rockets pick is clearly wrong. There were 6 Fr/Soph and 1 Int'l player picked in the 1st Round after Patrick Patterson (Sr). They include Avery Bradley and Greivas Vasqueaz. The latter is in MEM rotation over Mayo. That does not include (Fr) Hassan Whiteside taken at 33.

    DeAndre Jordan (Fr) and Marc Gasol (Int'l) were both picked well after they were availalbe to the Rockets over (Sr) Joey Dorsey.

    This is a fan forum. And if you want to delude yourself that the amount of collegiate experience in Rockets' $Ball is experience neutral...feel free. But facts are facts. They've yet under Morey drafted anyone to keep for themselves with less than 3 years of college. (And stashing Sergio Llull is the equivalent of Carrol Dawson stashing Malike Badiane).
     
  6. BetterThanEver

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    Morey has nothing against international players. It's true that Marc was drafted in 2007, but Morey tried to trade for 2 international players that year. Morey went after Scola(Int'l) and Fernandez(Int'l), according to Clutch who was in the draft room. Fernandez(Int'l) deal fell apart, but the Scola trade went through. I doubt that he would be stashing Scola(Int'l) and Fernandez(Int'l) overseas like Malick Badiane. Two years ago, he chased after Ricky Rubio(Int'l). If the all 3 players landed on the Rockets, the board would be talking about Morey's preference for international players over American college players. Patterson was in his 3rd year. He was only a senior, because he took extra classes every summer to speed up his degree program.(see footnote)

    It may be your perception that he prefers 4-yr college players over guys with no college experience.

    Draftexpress on Patterson graduating in 3 yrs.
     
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  7. GATER

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    Patterson graduating a year early proves...frankly...nada.

    As I've said on many occassion...talk is cheap. EVERY and ANY NBA team can TALK about whom they've targeted.

    Get back to me when the Rockets actually draft a player they keep with less than 3 years of college. Till then, you have NO argument at all. None.
     
  8. BetterThanEver

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    How about trading for the draft rights to Scola? It doesn't count because he was drafted by the Spurs, even though he never played in the NCAA or the NBA.

    It proves nada, because he was not drafted by the Rockets. haha. He doesn't count as a player that the Rockets drafted with less than 3 years of college. haha. I see what you are doing. You are right. Morey has a biased against players like Scola with 0 years of college experience. ;)
     
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  9. T-Slack

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    Well at least one good thing came out of it. If you guys remember, we were drafting one spot ahead of the Sperms, so I would rather him being in Portland then to them.
     
  10. T-Slack

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    ^ my prediction isn't looking to good huh Betterthenever lol
     
  11. STR8Thugg

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    It's not that big of a gap. Courtney Lee is a beast!
     
  12. CXbby

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    Why would we be picking Avery Bradley, Greivas Vasqueaz or Hassan Whitesides with the 14th pick above Patterson again? I think he meant there was no Fr/Sophs after the Rocket's pick that were worth a damn.
     
  13. Kojirou

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    Saying Vasqueaz is in over Mayo says less about Vasquez and more about how just utterly awful Mayo is. And Vasquez is averaging 3.3 pts a game and his shooting percentages look like Brooks's. Meanwhile, Avery Bradley averages 1.3 points a game, he has NEGATIVE PER, and has a FG% of .289. Finally, Whiteside has played a grand total of 2 minutes in the NBA.

    Are you claiming any of those guys are superior to Patterson? Seriously, name one freshman selected behind Patterson in this draft that is actually better than him. You don't select freshman just to go "WHOOO POTENTIAL" You draft the best players available, and if the best players happen to be a junior instead of a freshman, who really cares?

    Meanwhile, Marc Gasol wasn't even in the same draft as Dorsey ( lol fail), and DeAndre happened to be a flub, but not indicative of a general trend as everyone flubs over second round picks sooner or later.
     
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  14. pmac

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    I think the biggest problem with the way Morey has drafted so far is that other teams see our players as guys with low ceilings who are maximizing their production, and sometimes it's hard to dispute.

    This makes trades production for potential type trades near impossible.
     
  15. Tom Bombadillo

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    Daryl Morey has had later picks in the draft so far. He has had success in these drafts, because he DOESN'T look for a "superstar". The potential basement of players picked after the first five is rather large, and Daryl has done a great job of targeting who he thinks is an NBA quality player.
     
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    Morey just recently said they tried to trade for a first rounder to draft Lowry in 2006.

    I don't remember if they had a deal in place or not, but appartently the Grizzlies drafted him a few spots ahead of the pick they would have traded for.
     
  17. MrButtocks

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    Greivis Vasquez was at Maryland forever. He was a senior and Patterson was a junior.
     
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    Greene and Batum, still young to know who of them was the better pick.
     
  19. BetterThanEver

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    I thought Greivis Vasquez, 24 yrs old, was an odd mention by Gater, but I gave him the benefit of the doubt. I don't know how he is counting his 6 freshman in the 1st round. Greivis is included with freshman for 4 years of NCAA, while Patterson is with 3 years of the NCAA is included with the Seniors. Patterson was only a senior, because he took summer classes. However, he still only had 3 years of ball vs 4 years for Greivis.
     
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  20. MrButtocks

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    Academically, Patterson was definitely a senior. But in terms of basketball experience labels like junior and senior depend on seasons, not credits. There's no denying that Vasquez was definitely an upper classman, though. And though he's got guts, he's certainly low ceiling.
     

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