Then the rox willl have to add more than just Battier and James. CD etc. suddenly went undercover, will they pick up anyone else?
I'd agree with you if it was any other team but not us since we have two superstars entering their prime and their window of opputunity is in the next 4 years. We cant wait to see if players devolop instead of taking solid role players that are proven.
i mean if we get mike james back and he can play at 3/4 the level he did in toronto then we have our 3rd scorer albiet if he plays with alston we will be very undersized on defense.
I dont think your getting it. Im not talking about 5 or 6 years down the road. Im saying we should be patint and let the right deals come to us. This have to win "right" now crap isnt the way to go about building a championship caliber team. "Thumbs said it best. win now with an eye focused on winning in the future". Sure I and everyone else here would like to win now but come on, do it with some regards to the future. All moves should be made with a win now approach as long as it doesnt negativley affect the future. Unless its a move to win a CHAMPIONSHIP right now. If you really think we can win a championship with this team you need to take of your Rocket red glasses and take a look at this team. This crap about how we were contendars 2 years ago dont fly either. We got bich slaped by Dallas. They have gotten better every year along with half the other teams in our division while we have taken a step backwards. I agree it was mostly do to injuries but whos to say the wont continue. Who knows if TMac and Ming will end their carees known as great players that were injury prone. So far TM has been just that since joining the Rockets and with a player Mings size you never know.
Dude please stop! Im begging every one to stop making up these threads! Its really getting old having to sort through these stupid threads about us getting paul peirce
Food for thought: If we follow the mindset of win now only, we'd have traded Sam Cassel for some other guys. Actually, we'd definitely do it because Dream was years older than 111 at that time, therefore, a smaller window of opportunity. Win now and win in the future isn't contradicitory. When you find good talent in the draft, you can do both at the same time.
You never try you never know. If you put mindset in a win-now mode, at least there a chance we can win. Future is something which is very unpredictable. I don't know what the future may hold, but I know who holds the future and I say the future is now. Thinking about the future is keeping you out of the present time.
As long as Yao and TMac are a part of this team, we will always be in a "win noiw" mentality, and rightfully so. So get over it.
Possum, You clearly are the one that doesn't get it. Our 2 superstar players are 27 and 26 years old, we just added another 27 year old solid player. We have a window of 4 -8 years to try to win it all, and that is if Tmac's back holds up....but by then, I am assuming Yao will be a beast. So, we have 8 years.....let's fill up the roster with good players, PRO players and get er done...NOW !! Also, the Rockets clearly did not like Gay, and have problems with his motivation etc, and felt that the rest of the people in the draft do not warrant a number 8 pick, and YES, that includes my beloved Redick. So, they jettisoned a lazy good for nothing PF, and an unknown draft pick who had problems getting motivated in college for a VERY solid ball player, a piece to the puzzle. When you have Tmac and Yao on your team...and healthy, you can beat anyone...ANYONE !! but you need to add complimentary players to them. Battier is one..... Now as to Dallas, we lost the 7th game by a lot, but if the Refs could see Finley out of bounds we would have gotten out of that series already and into the 2nd round...... The Rockets are NOT that far away...and will contend THIS year....and I will open up a big ole can of...."TOLD YA SO" as soon as they break out of the gate like 20-5..... DD
I agree with your last sentence and I still wish we would have kept Gay, but... Let's look at another example. If the 94-95 Rockets didn't have a 'win now' attitude, we would have traded Otis Thorpe for a future draft pick instead of Clyde Drexler. Clyde was obviously great for us, but his best years were behind him at that point in his career. We did that trade because Hakeem was at the peak of his career. I think TMac and Yao are at the peak of their careers. TMac has back problems, who know how many years he has left. And if Yao plays this season the same way he played the 2nd half of last season, it's hard to argue that he isn't at his peak. The time is now. Like Major said, we've been 'building for the future' for 8 years now. Besides Yao and TMac, what do we have to show for it?
Possum I started a thread last year around this time that was similar. I have great repect for thumbs, but a "win a ring, 'now' is secondary" is and always be a minority opinion here. Very strange coming from Houstonians IMHO, but most think that any playoff series victory would be huge - a stepping stone. I never felt that way even when we won many. Because it depends how you're getting beaten. There maybe a couple of guys here who thought we'd go back to the NBA Finals in '82 but I'm not too sure they ever believed it. After the '86 Finals, that team had put the basketball world on notice that though the best team won, Houston was the future. It was. The difference between the '81 and '86 teams are many but you could see how we could match-up against anyone in '87, 8 or 9 deep. Until... Now? Well I have high hopes for Rafer with a healthy team, but we're going to be deficient probably at 3 positions. Battier, I think, will be huge for Yao and probably T-Mac too, but there's about 200 people here who can tell you how to beat the team as it stands and whoever we get with the MLE. Too much to do with too little money. The future is only now because fans want to hope. I, as a native, want to see another possible ring. I simply don't.
Lets start right there. You obviously took what I said wrong. I wasnt implying that you cant comprehend what I was saying. I ment you were miss understanding the point I was trying to get across. Now! Yes my point excatly. Our 2 "superstars" have plenty of quality years ahead of them. So why waste potentially valuable assets to get basically role players now. I'm not talking about just the Gay trade. There has been many instinces were they have jumped the gun in the name of winning now. Like cutting players that have expiring contracts to sign marginal role players. Once again Im just trying to say IMO I think management could build a better team that would last longer if they would just show a little patience and restraint from wanting to win "right" now. I love your enthusiasm but I just dont see it. I hope your right and you rub it in my face. The only way that is going to happen is if we win a championship.
The phrase "win now" implies that the Rockets are so hellbent on winning that they are making wreckless decisions. They are doing anything but that, in my opinion. Getting a young vet who can play defense, hit an outside shot and move without the ball on offense is exactly what this team needs. It's not like they gave up four first round picks and Luther Head to get Allen Iverson, or something. In order to get a player like Battier you can't back up the garbage truck to Jerry West's house and think that Juwon Howard + a 2008 1st round pick is going to get it done. I am happy with the move. Getting Mike James, even at the full MLE for five years would make me happy with the offseason.
Yep. They have tried to make "wreckless" decisions. However, all signs point to the contrary. Management decisions in recent days have been in reckless disregard of the present and future -- a real train wreck IMO. Just kidding you, BMoney. I agree with your sentiments.
The "winning now" mentality usually results in losing now & later. I think trading Gay was a mistake. Battier is not a push over but he is close to your average good role player. I think the Rockets should have held onto Gay and traded just Swift for him. Hopefully there are more moves to come because the way it looks now isn't positive.
Mmmm..., do you think West is Isaiah Thomas? On second thought, if it was Isaiah, do you think he will do it?
Here is what defines virtually all championship teams: 1.) One/two top tier players 2.) Several complimentary/solid role players Rockets: #1 - check #2 - Battier helps to address that. check Stro doesn't help #1 or #2. Gay MIGHT not even address #2 much less #1. Time will tell.
before anyone talks about championship they should at least get past the first round first.. I think they should have just kept gay for a year at least and see if he can at least be a 3rd or 4th scoring option with decent defense..
