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Wilt Chamberlain's 1961-1962 Game Log

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durvasa said:

I read Simmons' basketball book a few months back, and some other things about Wilt.

It seems crazy to say, but something about him reminds me of Tracy McGrady. He was a guy with enormous physical talents, but he lacked the killer instinct and he was quick to deflect criticism (particularly his lack of playoff success) away from himself. He had a tendency to shrink in the biggest moments. He had a reputation as a guy who cared more about his numbers and individual accolades than team success. He would frequently take plays off on the defensive end (especially when he was in danger of getting into foul trouble).
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Yeah, whenever I saw him interviewed he didn't seem very humble. Still, he was probably one of the greatest athletes of our time. It's so strange that he died relatively young(63) yet was in such great shape, even in his 50's. Congestive Heart Failure...but his heart should've been in great shape...but apparently he was having heart trouble for years before his death.

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In 66-67, he shot 68%.

In 72-73, he shot 72%.

He led the league in FG% 9 times.

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Not really impressed. His FG and FT % is crap.

Modern day comparison = Greg Oden
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Also, he made the playoffs 13 times and his lowest playoff rebounding average was 20.2, which is incredible.

(I can see the arguments about the early 1960's, but by the early 70's, the game was not that different.)

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Also, he made the playoffs 13 times and his lowest playoff rebounding average was 20.2, which is incredible.

(I can see the arguments about the early 1960's, but by the early 70's, the game was not that different.)
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In 72-73, NBA teams averaged 50.4 rebounds per 48 minutes played.

This season, they average 41.6 rebounds per 48 minutes played (17% less).

In 72-73, Chamberlain averaged 18.6 rebounds, playing 43.2 minutes per game. If you reduce that by 17%, it would come down to 15.4 rebounds per 43.2 minutes. By comparison, Dwight Howard averages 13.5 rebounds, playing 35.4 mpg; so for every 43.2 minutes played, he grabs 16.5 rebounds.

Chamberlain was a great rebounder, but he isn't in a different stratosphere compared to Howard, as one may be lead to believe with a naive look at the numbers.

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I saw a link to this over at the apbr metrics forums.

http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Arc...asketball.nba.la-lakers/2008-05/msg02598.html

It is Wilt Chamberlain's game log for the 1961-1962 season. Just kind of fun to look at. I copied it below, in more text friendly formatting:

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[SIZE=1]WILT CHAMBERLAIN?S 1961-62 GAME-BY-GAME 

DATE                                     G    Min   FGM   FGA     FG%      FTM   FTA     FT%       REB    AST    PF    PTS
10/19/61 Los Angeles at Philadelphia     1     48    21    44     0.477    6     12     0.5        25     1      1     48
10/20/61 Los Angeles at Philadelphia     2     48    24    46     0.522    9     17     0.529      32     1      2     57
10/21/61 New York at Philadelphia        3     48    21    41     0.512    11    17     0.647      35     0      2     53
10/27/61 Syracuse at Philadelphia        4     48    21    45     0.467    13    21     0.619      24     3      3     55
10/28/61 Philadelphia at Syracuse        5     48    17    43     0.395    9     14     0.643      23     3      0     43
11/03/61 Boston at Philadelphia          6     48    12    31     0.387    4     9      0.444      33     1      2     28
11/04/61 Detroit at Philadelphia         7     48    24    48     0.5      10    16     0.625      33     0      1     58
11/08/61 Philadelphia at Detroit         8     48    23    46     0.5      12    19     0.632      23     1      3     58
11/09/61 Syracuse at Philadelphia        9     48    20    38     0.526    15    27     0.556      29     0      1     55
11/11/61 Philadelphia at Boston          10    48    17    40     0.425    7     13     0.538      21     3      4     41
11/14/61 Philadelphia at New York        11    48    13    27     0.481    8     17     0.471      18     2      2     34
11/15/61 Cincinnati at Philadelphia      12    48    18    42     0.429    7     13     0.538      18     5      1     43
11/17/61 Los Angeles at Philadelphia     13    48    24    48     0.5      8     19     0.421      32     2      1     56
11/18/61 Philadelphia at Syracuse        14    48    13    32     0.406    13    20     0.65       17     2      1     39
11/19/61 Philadelphia at Chicago         15    48    24    47     0.511    3     8      0.375      16     0      2     51
11/21/61 Philadelphia at Cincinnati      16    48    20    44     0.455    5     15     0.333      34     6      0     45
11/23/61 Boston at Philadelphia          17    48    12    34     0.353    7     12     0.583      30     5      1     31
11/25/61 Chicago at Philadelphia         18    48    15    37     0.405    9     12     0.75       38     3      2     39
11/28/61 Philadelphia at St. Louis       19    48    13    28     0.464    13    25     0.52       22     1      0     39
12/01/61 Philadelphia at Los Angeles     20    48    22    47     0.468    16    26     0.615      21     4      1     60
12/02/61 Philadelphia at Los Angeles     21    48    11    22     0.5      15    26     0.577      24     1      1     37
12/05/61 Philadelphia at New York        22    48    17    31     0.548    5     12     0.417      22     4      1     39
12/06/61 St. Louis at Philadelphia       23    48    12    27     0.444    15    20     0.75       16     1      2     39
12/08/61 Los Angeles at Philadelphia     24    63    31    62     0.5      16    31     0.516      43     1      4     78
12/09/61 Chicago at Philadelphia         25    48    28    48     0.583    5     10     0.5        36     0      3     61
12/10/61 Philadelphia at Chicago         26    48    23    44     0.523    9     16     0.563      26     2      4     55
12/12/61 Detroit at Philadelphia         27    48    22    42     0.524    10    14     0.714      25     5      2     54
12/13/61 Philadelphia at Boston          28    48    22    43     0.512    8     12     0.667      30     0      2     52
12/14/61 Syracuse at Philadelphia        29    48    17    39     0.436    9     17     0.529      22     2      1     43
12/16/61 Philadelphia at Chicago         30    48    21    39     0.538    8     12     0.667      21     3      3     50
12/19/61 Philadelphia at Cincinnati      31    48    24    47     0.511    9     14     0.643      25     1      0     57
12/20/61 Philadelphia at Detroit         32    48    24    47     0.511    7     11     0.636      19     0      0     55
12/25/61 Philadelphia at New York        33    58    23    44     0.523    13    22     0.591      36     0      3     59
12/26/61 Syracuse at Philadelphia        34    48    21    53     0.396    9     15     0.6        29     1      2     51
12/27/61 New York at Philadelphia        35    48    20    42     0.476    13    18     0.722      30     4      3     53
12/29/61 Los Angeles at Philadelphia     36    48    24    43     0.558    12    19     0.632      26     3      1     60
12/30/61 Boston at Philadelphia          37    53    17    34     0.5      7     13     0.538      28     3      2     41
01/01/62 Philadelphia at Los Angeles     38    48    13    29     0.448    6     12     0.5        20     3      1     32
01/03/62 Philadelphia at Los Angeles     39    40    14    25     0.56     8     12     0.667      18     2      1     36
01/05/62 St. Louis at Philadelphia       40    48    20    39     0.513    13    21     0.619      22     2      0     53
01/07/62 Philadelphia at St. Louis       41    48    23    41     0.561    9     17     0.529      21     2      3     55
01/09/62 Syracuse at Philadelphia        42    48    18    37     0.486    11    21     0.524      27     1      3     47
01/10/62 Philadelphia at Detroit         43    48    15    40     0.375    9     13     0.692      25     1      0     39
01/11/62 Syracuse at Philadelphia        44    48    19    40     0.475    14    24     0.583      22     5      0     52
01/13/62 Chicago at Philadelphia         45    48    29    48     0.604    15    25     0.6        36     0      2     73
01/14/62 Philadelphia at Boston          46    48    27    45     0.6      8     10     0.8        28     2      1     62
01/17/62 St. Louis at Philadelphia       47    53    24    48     0.5      14    20     0.7        23     4      3     62
01/18/62 Cincinnati at Philadelphia      48    48    22    50     0.44     10    16     0.625      31     3      0     54
01/19/62 Philadelphia at Detroit         49    48    23    42     0.548    7     10     0.7        21     2      1     53
01/20/62 Detroit at Philadelphia         50    48    17    39     0.436    10    14     0.714      28     5      0     44
01/21/62 Philadelphia at Syracuse        51    53    25    42     0.595    12    17     0.706      23     3      1     62
01/24/62 Chicago at Philadelphia         52    48    23    56     0.411    9     11     0.818      32     5      1     55
01/26/62 Philadelphia at St. Louis       53    48    16    29     0.552    15    19     0.789      22     4      3     47
01/27/62 Boston at Philadelphia          54    48    21    28     0.75     11    17     0.647      27     1      3     53
01/28/62 Philadelphia at Boston          55    53    17    31     0.548    16    22     0.727      20     3      4     50
01/30/62 Philadelphia at New York        56    48    22    40     0.55     11    19     0.579      27     3      1     55
02/01/62 Cincinnati at Philadelphia      57    48    22    36     0.611    9     16     0.563      26     5      1     53
02/02/62 New York at Philadelphia        58    48    12    31     0.387    11    19     0.579      19     4      1     35
02/03/62 Philadelphia at Syracuse        59    48    15    35     0.429    11    14     0.786      15     3      0     41
02/04/62 Syracuse at Philadelphia        60    48    19    35     0.543    12    18     0.667      26     2      0     50
02/08/62 New York at Philadelphia        61    48    23    37     0.622    13    19     0.684      24     0      0     59
02/09/62 Philadelphia at Boston          62    48    15    32     0.469    18    23     0.783      29     1      1     48
02/10/62 Boston at Philadelphia          63    48    16    33     0.485    6     14     0.429      31     4      1     38
02/11/62 Philadelphia at New York        64    48    18    36     0.5      6     13     0.462      25     5      0     42
02/13/62 Philadelphia at Cincinnatti     65    48    24    40     0.6      17    30     0.567      22     4      3     65
02/14/62 Philadelphia at Detroit         66    48    17    38     0.447    8     13     0.615      27     3      1     42
02/16/62 Cincinnati at Philadelphia      67    48    18    37     0.486    12    17     0.706      23     4      0     48
02/17/62 Philadelphia at St. Louis       68    48    26    44     0.591    15    20     0.75       28     2      1     67
02/20/62 Chicago at Philadelphia         69    48    21    46     0.457    6     8      0.75       21     2      4     48
02/21/62 Philadelphia at Syracuse        70    48    19    33     0.576    8     17     0.471      16     2      3     46
02/22/62 St. Louis at Philadelphia       71    48    21    36     0.583    19    34     0.559      26     1      0     61
02/24/62 Boston at Philadelphia          72    48    11    24     0.458    4     13     0.308      31     0      1     26
02/25/62 New York at Philadelphia        73    48    25    38     0.658    17    22     0.773      21     1      1     67
02/27/62 Philadelphia at St. Louis       74    48    25    43     0.581    15    20     0.75       23     2      3     65
02/28/62 Philadelphia at Chicago         75    48    24    46     0.522    13    17     0.765      28     6      4     61
03/02/62 New York at Philadelphia        76    48    36    63     0.571    28    32     0.875      25     2      2     100
03/04/62 Philadelphia at New York        77    48    24    41     0.585    10    16     0.625      35     4      0     58
03/07/62 Philadelphia at Boston          78    48    13    38     0.433    4     11     0.364      27     2      1     30
03/11/62 Philadelphia at Syracuse        79    48    19    27     0.704    6     18     0.333      26     2      2     44
03/14/62 Philadelphia at Chicago         80    53    15    34     0.441    4     5      0.8        33     4      3     34[/SIZE]

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ArtisGilmore said:

That's commonly believed but it's not true, it was true in the 1950's and earlier, but by the 1960's there was plenty of size in the league, also consider that there were only 10 teams and so obviously if you put together a list of all tall players there wouldn't be as many names as there are now.
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The third pick in the 1960 draft behind Big O and Jerry was a center, a 6'10" center.

In 60-61 the lakers had three centers on their roster, 6'8", 6'9" and 6'11".

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Best basketball player of all time...

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I'd like to know, where are all of these short 6,5 - 6,7 unathletic white guys that people often bring up in these arguments. Most of these players could come into the league, now and still play (and even start at center). If there are any players above who aren't that tall, I'd figure most of them were pretty stocky (sort of like Chuck Hayes or David Lee) to where they could play situational center in the modern day NBA.

I dare anyone to find at least 10 players in that top half of that list of names that is under 6,7 and under 235.
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I searched centers in the 60-61 season and listed them by games played.

6'8" 230 bob Ferry
6'10 205 Phil Jordan
6'9" 230 Johnny Kerr
6'8" 240 Wayne Embry
6'8" 225 Gene Conley
6'9" 215 Hub Reed
6'11" 220 Ray Felix

That is 7 out of the top 10 in games played. wilt, Bill r. and another 7 footer round out the list.

those are forwards in todays nba. Most of them small forards or SG's

Oh yeah David Lee and chuck hayes weigh more than all of the guys I listed, so don't give me the strong argument.

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Wilt hogged all the minutes for selfish reasons, its not that amazing

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I searched centers in the 60-61 season and listed them by games played.

6'8" 230 bob Ferry
6'10 205 Phil Jordan
6'9" 230 Johnny Kerr
6'8" 240 Wayne Embry
6'8" 225 Gene Conley
6'9" 215 Hub Reed
6'11" 220 Ray Felix

That is 7 out of the top 10 in games played. wilt, Bill r. and another 7 footer round out the list.

those are forwards in todays nba. Most of them small forards or SG's

Oh yeah David Lee and chuck hayes weigh more than all of the guys I listed, so don't give me the strong argument.
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Thanks for the comparison numbers. To add to your comparision, Jared Jeffries is 6'11"...240. he's bigger than ALL of them.

Hell, Shane Battier is about the same size as 3 of them.

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Thanks for the comparison numbers. To put this into a bit more perspective, Jared Jeffries is 6'11"...240. he's bigger than ALL of them.

Hell, Shane Battier is about the same size as 3 of them.
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To be fair i did not mention this Shawn Bradley wanna be.

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Him, Russell, and Wilt rounded out the top ten in games played by centers that season. I am guessing Dwight Howard would have zero trouble getting 20 plus rebounds in that era.

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Well when your playing field sucks, it's not that surprising..

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What really blows me away is that he scored 50 or more points in more than HALF of the games that season.
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Another amazing thing is that he had only 2 games all season in which he didn't get 30. That would be incredible to be able to say that you had a full season where you never scored below 30 points.

And everyone's making a big deal of Durant's consecutive 25 point game streak.
Wilt had a full season. lol

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durvasa said:

I read Simmons' basketball book a few months back, and some other things about Wilt.

It seems crazy to say, but something about him reminds me of Tracy McGrady. He was a guy with enormous physical talents, but he lacked the killer instinct and he was quick to deflect criticism (particularly his lack of playoff success) away from himself. He had a tendency to shrink in the biggest moments. He had a reputation as a guy who cared more about his numbers and individual accolades than team success. He would frequently take plays off on the defensive end (especially when he was in danger of getting into foul trouble).

If you watch old footage of Wilt, even the way he trotted down the floor is reminiscent of McGrady.
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A few months ago, someone else here posted a similar thread about Wilt's monster statistics. That day I went to look up more detailed information about him on wikipedia. The overview of his career was an epic read :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilt_Chamberlain

Truly a unique, absolute one of a kind player. Yes, Wilt was maligned and criticized for actually reaping much less success than seemed commisurate with his skill level. Apparently later in his career, a intentional focus on rebounding, defense, and teamwork served him slightly better.

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Still, he was clearly the best NBA player and athlete at the time...if he played in today's game he 'd probably put up similar number to the late 90's/early 00's Shaq, with more blocks...not too shabby.

But avg. 50pts and 25 rbs/game? Nah.
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I agree. Even if Wilt had played in the 80's or 90's, the best time in the league's history for big men, he would have been good enough to be recognized as an all-time great.

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He just absolutely destroyed Philadelphia. The number of 60+ point 30+ rebounds against them is amazing...

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He just absolutely destroyed Philadelphia. The number of 60+ point 30+ rebounds against them is amazing...
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Wilt played for Philadelphia that season.

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It was amazing back than...I sometimes wonder what would MJ have done back than or any of the other 90's players?

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It was amazing back than...I sometimes wonder what would MJ have done back than or any of the other 90's players?
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I think Jordan would have averaged 40+ ppg, 8 apg, and 15 rpg, shooting 55% from the field. He would have been the league's best player, by far.

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