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Will we go to war with Iran?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by mc mark, Mar 16, 2006.

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Will we go to war with Iran?

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  1. tigermission1

    tigermission1 Member

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    Who are you and what have you done with Hayes the "Holy War advocator"? ;)
     
  2. HayesStreet

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    lol, you know those aren't my words, but were attributed to me. :D
     
  3. CreepyFloyd

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    Yah I know, I am just teasin' ya.
     
  6. CreepyFloyd

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  7. HayesStreet

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    Peres, speaking ahead of UN Security Council deliberations on possible sanctions on Iran, cautioned Monday that Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmedinejad, who has called for Israel to be wiped off the map, should bear in mind that his own country could also be destroyed.

    Not sure why that's out of line - sounds like a declaration of self defense.
     
  8. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    just reaffirms my earlier statements that inflammatory rhetoric is used by all sides
     
  10. CreepyFloyd

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    i havent read the letter, but apparantly iran has prosposed some solutions to the us directly

    they've been trying to negotiate and compromise with the europeans and americans for a while now, but both sides are resisting (see my earlier posts in other iran threads for evidence)
     
  11. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    If you haven't read the letter (by the way, the general nature of the letter is now available via various wire reports) how could you make the comment that that particular letter showed Iran's "willingness to compromise".

    The letter apparently barely touched on the nuclear issue and offered no ideas or compromises to resolve that situation.

    The letter blasted Bush's handling of 9/11 and railed against the U.S for it's support of Israel.

    In reading the generalities of the letter, I see absolutely nothing dealing with compromise and it was disingenuous of you to post that the letter did show Iran's "willingness to compromise" when you had not even read the letter and at the time you posted your comment, the contents and nature of the letter had not been revealed.
     
  12. CreepyFloyd

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    the letter is 18 pages long and single-spaced

    it wasnt an open letter at the time and i was going from what the press and iranian officials were saying

    so your problem is not with me or what i said, its with what the press and iranian officials said and with the pattern of past iranian behaviour vis-a-vis willingness to negotiate and compromise, i'm sure nobody had any reason to believe this letter wasnt along the same lines

    i still believe that past iranian actions coupled with the fact that iran was willing to send this letter and try to open a dialogue with washington yet again shows their willingness to compromise and negotiate

    here's a copy of the document:

    http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/wsj-IranianPres_letter.pdf?mod=blogs
     
  13. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    (I've bolded the part of your quote that I am asking you about in this response)

    Do you truly believe that everyone should take it for granted that any official Iranian communication with the U.S. government discusses their willingness to compromise?

    If that is the case then everyone was wrong about this particular letter - correct?

    EDIT (added another question)

    Does the fact that the letter doesn't discuss compromise mean that the Iranian officials lied?
     
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  14. geeimsobored

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    Could he at least type that letter on a modern word processor and printer.

    Good god, it looks like he's using a dot matrix printer and some ancient word processor on some ancient IBM computer.
     
  15. CreepyFloyd

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    i dont know why you're beating this issue to death

    this is the way it was framed by the international media at the time as the article i posted suggests

    the fact that an iranian head of state communicated with a us head of state for the first time in 27 years is a positive development regardless of what you may think and by iran engaging the us directly is in itself a form of compromise since iran has previously ruled out direct contact with the us
     
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    just in case you claim that i didnt answer your questions....i dont think every official in the iranian govt was privy to the contents of the letter so some might've misrepresented its contents without knowing so, but the fact that the president of iran sent a letter to the president of the us is a breakthrough, whether people want to acknowledge it or not

    the us has obviously dismissed the letter, because they want to attack iran, but the letter could and still can be a building block for further dialogue, which is always a positive development
     
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    Whatever is in the letter may not be accurate, because it's in English. Iranian officials communicate in Persian, except for the UN rep. Something had to be lost in translation regardless if it came straight from el jefe. Therefore, treat this manifesto as crock.
     
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    Too bad both nutcases, I mean presidents, can't agree to disagree and go about their business. He raises some valid questions to Bush, but has also acted like a nut himself in the past.

    How about the mutual obliteration option for solving the Iranian issue? If Iran is attacked first by the Israel or it's paid body guard the U.S., then Iran will wipe Israel off the map. If Iran attacks Israel first then the U.S. and Israel will wipe Iran off the map. Everyone goes on living until everyone involved is dead from old age and a newer, maybe brighter, generation can deal with the problem.
     
  19. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    The letter did not mention any sort of compromise, only Ahmadinejad's desire for the U.S. to change its ways. It did not discuss the current Iranian nuclear situation with respect to how to compromise which is a flash point among a number of world powers. It also implied the U.S. was complicit in the 09/11 attacks.

    Yep, that's a great way to try and establish a constructive dialogue between two nations.

    You stated that "Iranian officials" indicated the letter discussed compromise. There is no discussion of compromise in it. Did the Iranian official(s) who made this statement lie?

    If they did not lie, please point out some part of the letter in which Iran wants to compromise with the U.S. on some issues that Ahmadinejad raised. Just sending an inflamatory letter does not signal a willingness to compromise.

    EDIT - I responded before seeing your second post.
     
  20. HayesStreet

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    Er, yeah - but there is a little difference between being the threatening party and the defensive party.

    Dude, I love your latest Schwing! Now you've not only claimed that every newservice including Al Jazeera mistranslated the Iranian government spokesman, but you added to that the explanation that the government officials INSIDE the Iranian government misinterpreted or miscommunicated the contents of the letter from the Iranian President. Good golly Miss Molly, are there no end to your silly excuses? You are becoming a William Shatner style caricature of yourself, lol.

    Denny Ayatollah Crain.
     
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