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Will we be able to keep Eason and Okogie?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Houston77, Nov 2, 2025 at 10:24 AM.

  1. Joe Joe

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    I think this is incorrect. DFS's NTMLE deal is 1st year, 5% increase, flat, flat which would have 2 years that don't follow this.
     
  2. Joe Joe

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    I think there is a decent chance FVV is dealt into a trade exception which would open up most of a NT-MLE. If that happens, should be easy to keep Okogie and Eason.
     
  3. Corrosion

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    You might want to recheck the math .... just multiply by 0.08 and add it to the previous years salary.
     
  4. heypartner

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    That’s what I’m saying. The raise/decrease for each yr is fixed to 8% amount of the base yr. Doesn’t your Tari example have varying decreases? Maybe I read the math in your post wrong?
     
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    Kinda wonder what a "trade Tari for a guard" scenario looks like, because I believe that would sorta be a knock on Reed too. Tari gets his chance to start somewhere and we get a competent guard on a salary that doesn't push the cap. Just assuming they wouldn't trade FVV and he comes back in like a 6th man compacity... where does that leave Reed? And unless Okogie just blows the door off and we win a chip or something crazy... I think you are really in a jam with Reed as a 10+ million dollar 4th guard.
     
  6. Aruba77

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    just curious why you think there’s a decent chance Fred is dealt. I would think there is very little chance given his defacto no-trade clause.
     
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    It could go a lot of ways frankly... whoever gets Tari will have to pay him so I think he is not as valuable due to that. But he could have a healthy, great season which makes him

    Maybe we just get more inexpensive guard depth or replace Holiday with someone better where it's just a slight upgrade. Or maybe we let Tari go for nothing at the end of the season because he's just that valuable this season but that feels unlikely.
     
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    Fair to say this is one of the most under the radar great signings of the offseason

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  9. Houston77

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    Hypothetically, could we (1) trade FVV into a trade exception next offseason after he opts in and (2) use the money to extend Tari and Okogie?
     
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    No trade clause does not last past him exercising player option. As such, he can be traded during the timeframe being discussed...Eason and Okogie's next contract signing during 26 offseason. He could also decline player option if he wants control of his career.

    If Okogie and Eason are both worth keeping, he's the biggest contract that won't be a Rocket key piece going forward. If Okogie comes back to Earth and doesn't need more than TP-MLE, Rockets keep FVV.
     
  11. Joe Joe

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    This.
     
  12. dmoneybangbang

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    I'm sure we will explore getting more pick(s) for Eason, especially a late FRP. We have a SRP for 2026, but no first round pick.
     
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    I do understand why people think this. Fred has done largely what we brought him in to do and it really sucks that he doesn’t get a chance to compete for a title with us this year.

    that being said by late January I think we will know a couple things.

    1. we will have a pretty good idea on if the outside chance of him coming back for the playoffs and maybe a few regular season games is viable. it seemed extremely unlikely, but who knows.

    2. we will know if we are close enough to contention to justify going all in this year. at the end of the day if he doesn’t think he can come back this year or we know that he just cannot. He is getting paid $25 million to do nothing buy an organization that has treated him very well. if the team that is trading for him is amicable to paying next year I could see him willing to be traded and not have it be on ending on terrible terms.

    I really like Capela on the team is the third center, but if he were dealt, we would be able to sign somebody at a very very low dollar contract that would provide a good 75% of what he does.

    So Holiday+Capela+FVV would seem to get us to the point where we could acquire a $35 million player. And that’s not even consider considering if we really wanted to go big. at that point it would be looking at including anyone from Eason, to Reed or even Finney-Smith.

    I’m sure that it would be nice to have Fred next year, but I think by that point we will have essentially moved on. And I think by late January we may have just already moved on as well. If you were able to come back and even just play 15 minutes a game as a back up and hit three pointers and make the right pass and play his level of defense that could be a tremendous boost to the playoffs this year. But I do really think it is all about this year and we can’t just have that money sitting on the bench.
     
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    I think we have two 2nd. Ours and the Bulls pick.

    Decent chance we try and use those to bring in guys to take a roster spots. The minimum salary for them would be half of the regular minimum
     
  16. Corrosion

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    It is not fixed to the base, it is X% year over year.

    You mentioned Jabari's contract in the previous post -

    The second year is 8% lower than the first.
    the 3rd year is 8% greater than the second (Same as the first)
    The 4th year is 8% greater than the 3rd.
    The 5th year is about 7.4% greater than the 4th.

    The example I posted for Tari is declining 5% year over year - but the starting point of that was a salary that the Rockets cannot match because it would put them into the 2A (with the assumption that they used the taxpayer version of the MLE).

    Here's the numbers again:

    30.7 x .05= (1.535) Now subtract the 1.535 from 30.7 and do this same equation for each year and it gives you the next years salary.
    29.165 x .05 =(1.45825)
    27.70 x .05 = (1.385)
    26.315

    5% decreases are the maximum decrease any other team can give him, the team holding the bird rights could conceptually give 8% decreases.
     
  17. Joe Joe

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    Incorrect.
    JSJ's 3rd year salary is an 8.7% raise based on his 2nd year according to Spotrac's numbers and 8% based on his base year (the 1st year). As such, the X% is not year-over-year.

    JSJ's salary goes down 8% of his 1st year, then up 8% of his 1st year salary, and then up 8% is 1st year salary, and then up 8% his first year salary.

    For Tari, (salary, decreasing amount).
    30.7 1.535
    29.165 1.535
    27.63 1.535
    26.095 1.535
     
  18. Will

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    Cannot rave enough about Okogie. It's awesome that we already have a "Will we be able to keep him" thread instead of a "What is the point of Josh Okogie" thread.
     
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    I think it's 50/50 we keep the other SRP, but I could be wrong.
     
  20. Joe Joe

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    Yep. Okogie has really fit the team so far. I do wonder how much regression his shot will have, but loving the defense.
     
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