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Will Tmac and TruWarier mess up the streak and/or offense

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by BackNthDay, Jan 21, 2009.

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Will the return of Tmac and Artest mess up chemistry

  1. Yes, without a doubt... don't buy into offense strategy

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  2. No, they see how well the team is doing and will get on board

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  1. pmac

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    I predict that neither Tracy or Ron will play within the system the way our guys are now. The ball will not skip around the court fluidly, they won't move much without the ball, and there will plenty of iso's.

    But we will be a better team. Sometimes that's just the way it works. Ron and Tracy are great players (if healthy), and they can make it happen all on their own while everyone on the court now (excluding Yao) needs the crisp ball movement.
     
  2. BackNthDay

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    Rick's offense makes 5 players play D (except when Rafer isn't on top of his shooting), when Ron and Tmac play one on one the other players stop moving and watch. Plus the other 3 or 4 players are resting on defense.

    Bottom line Rick's offense makes defenders tired from having to move around to guard people. Ron and Tmac offense allows them to rest on D.

    If we move the ball with everyone involved we will score consistently and we definitely miss Ron and Tmac's D. We're giving up more points than I would have ever thought.

    However, we are still only 0.2 points behind the Spurs.
     
  3. T-macsterful1

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    In my opinion they're gonna buy in about 70%. They're going to move the ball for sure. If not they can be replaced by a wafer who is willing to move the ball.

    They're going to move the ball but they're probly gonna take 1 or 2 dribbles first wasting precious wide open time for other players.

    T-mac will be more willing to buy in to the system long term than Ron.
     
  4. chris18515

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    If you think this team is going anywhere without T-mac and Ron, you are fooling your self. Yes they are on a nice win streak, but the last 2 games they played against teams with out their stars. Denver- Carmelo and Utah - Boozer and AK 47. So yes this a good team, but they wont get far in the west without T-mac and Ron.
     
  5. esteban

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    My heart wants them to buy into this system, because I feel that if they do, we are tough to beat and will advance far into the playoffs, could even go all the way.

    My head however tells me, only time will tell with these two.There is another real issue I'm worrying about, once TMac& Ron come back, the confidence of our role players will revert back to the beginning of the season, anyone of you guys who play sports know, lack of confidence is the kiss of death.

    When TMac& Ron were playing, our scrubs were deferring to them, they were hesitant in taking open shots, they were standing around watching, they felt like they didn't belong.

    I can't really tell you when was the last time, that I enjoyed watching this team gel as much as I am right now.

    I have been a Rocket fan going back to the 70s, this current team keeps my adrenaline pumping, this is a brand of basketball I want to see, I doubt if any of you can disagree with me on this style of basketball!
     
  6. BackNthDay

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    We won't get far if both them continue to disregard the offensive execution they are seeing right now. Bball is about chemistry and the Rocket championship teams had it. The moved the rock and Elie, Horry, Kenny, Vernon, Clyde, Bullard all benefited from the crisp ball movement. Plus Tmac has been a liability on D all season and we definitely won't get far with the D we are seeing from him.
     
  7. mbiker

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    With Yao, Tracy, and Artest playing at the same time, you have slowed the offense down dramatically. You have also decreased the amount of fast breaks. These three players are all great iso players, but do not collectively play the RA style. We are not going to see these guys make fast cuts to the basket like Wafer was doing last night. We are also not going to see Tracy and Artest run without the ball like Brent Barry was doing last night. The game will be slowed down and the players are not going to have easier shots like we have been seeing. I also don’t think that these three guys have good chemistry.
     
  8. IndoRockets

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    adelman and morey must've gone for the Ron trade for something.

    I believe both of them will integrate with our offense, as we really need them to go to the next level. We will know how great adelman is in uniting our healthy unit and spreads the minutes among them effectively
     
  9. badgerfan

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    My guess is that neither one of them will get on the floor unless they prove in practice that they can run the offense.
     
  10. HeyDude

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    Lets put it this way, are you that worried about them adjusting to the offense that you're willing to go with the current squad into the playoffs w/o them? If not, then why even worry? Of course their will be some chemistry issues, but the way I look at it, we got 39 games to fix them.
     
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    that is not the question the question is when they come back will they continue to be agressive or will they pass them the ball and stand around and watch them like they always do when mac and wafer were in the game together it was like wafer was in awe just standing their not getting any spacing and wanting to see what he will do
     
  12. YallMean

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    Fixed
     
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    Agree.

    I think we had a little bit luck in the last 2 games. Kmart choked and the 3 ball feast in the Utah game. We will still need those two be a contender.

    I expect that we will have a mini-slump before they return and struggle a little after that, and then really take off.

    I think we will lose 2 out of the next 3 away games on the east coast.
     
  14. durvasa

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    Some numbers which may be of interest:

    Last season, the team offensive efficiency in games where McGrady played and Yao did not was 109.8. In contrast, the offensive efficiency in games where Yao played and McGrady did not was 106.7. In games they both played (mostly in the first half of the season), it was 106.0.
     
  15. nolimitnp

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    God I hope not. We're starting to play more team oriented ball and its a pleasure to watch games again. I know a lot of people would agree that for most of the first part of the season it was boooring to watch.

    Bottom line is we still need T-Mac to even think about playoff success. Maybe he's not a "leader", but, whatever. I still want 20-5-5 and a guy that demands defensive attention on my team.
     
  16. tinywang

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    As much admiration and talent that both Tmac and Artest have, I would lying if I said I wasn't afraid of them messing up our current offense.

    1. For once, our offense isn't stagnant and doesn't rely solely on 1-2 people.
    2. Our bench and role players are playing out of their minds right now. They're showing tremendous effort and still providing points at an efficient manner.
    3. I feel like the chemistry is clicking and we are becoming a more fast paced offense which I like. :D
    4. We're winning games.
     
  17. Gerrard

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    Tmac will definitely mess up the offense not so sure about Artest.
     
  18. jump shooter

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    Agree, they and every other team would struggle for alittle while once they get important pieces back that have been in and out for some time. The rockets won't go anywhere in the playoffs without both those guys no matter how good the chemistry is with the current group that is playing.
     
  19. nolimitnp

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    Where can we find these numbers? I'd like to compare them to other teams to see if it means anything.
     
  20. tcadriel

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    ...and nearly half of them with Yao. IMO that streak never would have happened without Yao around. The team rallied with him there and when he went out.

    Where's the option to vote for either Ron or Tracy? My vote is Ron fits and help take us to that next level. Tracy on the other hand, well continues to be Tracy "Fools Gold" Mcgrady. I don't believe Tracy has the drive in him when times get tough.
     

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