Boy you're self-centered Jeff. ME, ME, ME! Seriously, anyone else notice no "you shoulds, or we shoulds" in his post. Well said, Jeff! [This message has been edited by heypartner (edited February 16, 2001).]
alright, the robbery analogy was probably a bad one, im sorry for that. a better one would be what jeff said (or part of what he said) -jeff is a vegetarian, disapproves of eating meat, but still has friends who eat it. anyway, ChrisP probably makes the best point ive seen in this thread so far. this thread originally started out about legislation to ban gay marriages. i am just giving reasons why i think that legislation is a good idea. for example, if someone proposed legislation to ban the slaughter of animals, a lot of vegetarians (not talking about jeff or anyone in particular - just in general, there would probably be some) who would actively go out and support that. maybe this bill isnt a good solution, but i would support it because it agrees with my beliefs. we do run into problems when enacting legislation for one belief over another... but thats the system we chose. thats democracy. its the point of elections, we go out and vote for who represents our beliefs best, and then the majority wins (right or wrong, thats how it works). and as for polygamy... i dont want to get into a whole big thing about it, so ill just leave it at this: we have a problem of more women then men, and some things that have come about are things like teen pregnancies, single parenting, etc etc etc. can you think of a better solution that would solve all those problems? -------of course, all this takes into account a lot of other ideals -- i.e. no sex outside of marriage, things like that. ------------------ http://members.fortunecity.com/omar369
Sounds like a hot one 'partner. Fire it up. Why would you say that? I haven't seen a hot button yet get ignored in the Hangout forum. [This message has been edited by ChrisP (edited February 16, 2001).]
You misinterpreted what I said. I do not disapprove of eating meat. I don't want to eat meat myself and I wouldn't do it but I don't disapprove of others who do it. It is their choice and I fully support that choice. I just make a different choice. How does teen pregnancy and single parenting correspond to more women on the planet than men? Are you suggesting that most women would even WANT to be in a marriage that involved more than one woman? Teen pregnancy wouldn't be fixed through polygamy. Women almost always become single parents because the father chooses not to support them, not because the mother simply wants to be a single mother. If we can't get fathers to support a single child or single mother of that child, how can we expect them to support multiple children and wives? ------------------ Me fail English? That's unpossible.
yeah jeff this is what i meant by taking a lot of other things into account, ie for one, the guy actually has the sense of responsibility to support his family. deadbeat dads piss me off as well. and about teen pregnancies... i meant it in the context that there shouldnt be sex outside marriage. ------------------ http://members.fortunecity.com/omar369
jamma : I find disagreement with one of your main points above. You said that America was on a downward spiral, but I would argue that America's morals are at an all-time high. I can't find any period in this nation's history when we had better morals. ------------------ The Rockets will be the NBA champions. Believe.
I think many would argue but they key is how you define morals. Blacks aren't enslaved. Women have more rights. Children aren't forced to work in sweatshops. Etc. Things always look worse when you are in them than they do from the outside looking in. ------------------ Me fail English? That's unpossible.
Cool! We're calling names and using the word 'fascist' now. That must mean the debate's winding down-- people are running out of A-material. All that's left is for someone to call someone else a Nazi and we're done. Whoooo! ------------------ I take her to the aquarium, she says shark, I take her to the planetarium, she says dark.
Awwwwwww... be fair BK, the 'facist' criticism is a great description of people that use the naturalistic argument for everything. Being someone that isn't aggro about environmental ethics(the other place other than gay bashing that the naturalistic fallacy is used), I would assume that you would love this counter. Just because something is a certain way in nature doesn't mean that it ought to be that way. Throughout this you get hokey counterexamples, but in general the philosophical community thinks that the naturalistic argument is truly a fallacy (Holmes Rolston is one of a few greats that disagrees, but I digress... I can argue either way and I like it for these purposes right now). Happy Holiday! ------------------ Good night everyone, Canadian or American. Just remember that we're all bound together by basketball, the internet and the mullet. (My attempts at trying to sooth over an international incident).
