Can Rocketman95 and Brian K get along if they looked past their political views? No. [This message has been edited by shanna (edited February 16, 2001).]
Hey, I just wanted to comment on this issue. I am also a Muslim, but have in no way the same views as jamma on this. Although, religiously I don't believe in homosexuality, I am not going to impose my beliefs on anyone. It isn't my place to judge or criticize the life of another. As far as 'sex is for procreation only' yeah right!!! You need to read a little more in depth into Islam, jamma ... no where does it say that ... couples are allowed to enjoy each other. If a couple has one kid ... they had sex only once?????? (Well, they might, but the chances are pretty slim :-D ) Also, as far as adoption goes ... I'm all for that too ... I have many gay friends and they have got to be some of the sweetest and caring people I have EVER met. As long as the children are left to decide for themselves ... whats wrong with that? And whats wrong with marriage? It's not like couples aren't living together ... let them enjoy the same social status as other couples ... they aren't much different than the rest of us. Your views are strong jamma, and maybe justified, but for you to pass judgement on someone and label them as "immoral" and "disgusting" is not right. Thats what minority groups, including us (muslims in the US), have been fighting for ... to gain an equal footing in society. And since you mentioned Islam as a premise, I'd also like to say that it teaches you to be tolerant and not to judge anyone - thats not your job. Rockit ------------------
Oh yeah, one more thing ... anybody would be INSANE if they choose to be gay - for all the persecution and hatred they face as a group? And you made the case that when you get to a certain age you just say 'ok I'm gay' ... how is that different from heterosexuals? Or were you born knowing that you had a thing for women? (a baby pimp :-D )Its the natural age for you to start having feelings ... and thats the time you realize. Ok, I'm done now ------------------
Oh come on mc mark!!!!!! I thought you would get my post. You know, the idea of embracing a concept -- "embracing" or being intimate with a concept....that being the deviant thing. Please tell me you were joking too. You really did not think I was saying that...right? ------------------ Big A, little a bouncing B, The System might have got you, but it won't get me.
You know that's not true! Now, TheFreak and I may not be able to! ------------------ "Knickerbocker Please!" Not sure if you want to see Hannibal? visit www.swirve.com, and we'll tell you how to feel!!
Rimmy, you sensitive artist you! Of course you silly goose. But there are those here that... well, you know! And BTW people may think your gay, but have you ever been called the "gayest straight man" you've ever met? I have ------------------ Everything you do, effects everything that is. [This message has been edited by mc mark (edited February 16, 2001).]
someone said being gay doesnt affct my life... by that token we should ban pork bbqs. forgive me if im a little concerned about the country's moral welfare. i personally dont approve of homosexuality. just like you dont approve of my rejection of homosexuality, i dont approve of your acceptance of it. i find it disgusting and immoral. america is already on a downward spiral with teen pregnancies, single parenting, and all that, prostitues on every corner, etc etc etc. why make it worse? Timing says: 1. According to my little encyclopedia, homosexuality was classified as a mental disorder until 1973, when the APA (American Psychiatric Association) acknowledged that many gay and lesbian people showed no signs of dysfunction and were satisfied with their sexual orientation. this answers everyone who says "no one would choose to be gay and be persecuted" it just means that people who are gay just happen to like it. and besides, like i said, it doesnt really matter. all it means is some people have a tendency to be deviant. big whoop. get over it. think about how the world would be if *everyone* acted on all their "natural instincts" if i go out and start robbing people, i could just say its genetic. does that excuse it? or what if i decide to go out and become a prostitute? does it make it ok? ali cat says: so, just to stir up trouble, why did you say vagina and not *****??? furthermore, if I remember from one of my early anthropology classes, there are animals that not only reproduce asexually and even some animals that have complete sex changes in the event that one sex drastically outnumbers the other sex. This is completely natural too. Just something to think about. p.s. in the whole world, don't women outnumber men by a lot??? should i be worried natural human procreation is by putting a 'pecker' into a vagina. the reason the **** showed up is because i typed the word that rhymes with weenus and it got censored out. as for women outnumbering men, thats why polygamy needs to be legalized, it solves all those problems, but thats a whole another issue. someone else asked me about what i would do if i met outlaw in real life. lets put it this way, and this may surprise some of you, I HAVE HAD FRIENDS WHO WERE GAY, AND THEY DIDNT CARE ABOUT MY VIEWS ON IT! there is a *distinct* difference between hating someone, and hating something that they do. for instance, i dont drink, i hate it when people get drunk, i dont approve of it at all, but i still have friends who drink. just because someone does something bad doesnt mean i cant be friends wth them or talk to them, its just a disapproval of an action that they might do. how many of you are friends with someone who has ever stolen anything? you might not yourself approve of stealing, or the fact that your friend has done it, but youre still friends. just because i disapprove of homosexuality doesnt necessarily equate with "gay bashing" or hating gay people. as for rockit (and others) i know i was unclear about this, but i didnt mean sex is for procreation only, if you go back and see what i wrote, i said it is "one of the reasons" ----and as for islamically, rockit, you can email me, i can get you more information, but from what ive read, youre not supposed to practice birth control (except in certain cases). ------------------ http://members.fortunecity.com/omar369
IMO, comparing someone who's homosexual to someone who commits crimes like robbery is more immoral than anything you've listed. Being a self-righteous jackass is pretty immoral in my book. ------------------ www.swirve.com...The reason Al Gore invented the internet.
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so what do you propose the governent do about it since we are such a huge threat to the collective morality of the nation? should we be banished to a desert island? be brainwashed into becoming str8? charge us a "gay-tax" that would financially discourage us from dating members of the same sex? what is your solution? ------------------
I've never claimed to be a very moral person. ------------------ www.swirve.com...The reason Al Gore invented the internet.
"i personally dont approve of homosexuality. just like you dont approve of my rejection of homosexuality" Jamma, you see, that's the difference. Its not a matter of not approving of your rejection of it, its learning to be tolerant of your views and to know that they exist and still accept you as a member of the human race. With failings and shortcomings that we all have. You seem not to be willing to concede that there might be another avenue of thought that is different from yours but still just as valid. ------------------ Everything you do, effects everything that is.
so being gay and monogamous is immoral but being str8 and having a million wives is OK? ------------------
Gee, that takes alot of friggin' nerve. Could you please fill in the gaps w/ this total leap in logic? You seem to be begging the question that homosexuality's definition is: Main Entry: ho·mo·sex·u·al·i·ty Pronunciation: "hO-m&-"sek-sh&-'wa-l&-tE Function: noun Date: 1892 1 : the immoral quality or state of being homosexual 2 : immoral erotic activity with another of the same sex Stealing something is violating another human's trust and sanctity. In what way do acts between consenting adults (no Lolita slippery slopes please) violate your trust? How are you harmed? Or is just your facist interpretation of nature that gets thrown asunder? ------------------ Good night everyone, Canadian or American. Just remember that we're all bound together by basketball, the internet and the mullet. (My attempts at trying to sooth over an international incident).
jamma, here's a twist for you... There are people who think that you are going to hell because of your beliefs. Should those people be allowed to enact legislation that discriminates against you because of their moral beliefs that you are deviant? My point is that we all have differing opinions - this country is truly a melting pot. Where we run into trouble is when we try to create laws that enforce one belief over another. You have a right to believe what you want but how can you justify the actions of these people who are trying to legislate discrimination? ------------------
Have a nice weekend all! Play nice! ------------------ Everything you do, effects everything that is.
First, I find it immoral and disgusting to eat meat. I do not agree with the slaughter of cattle and fowl. I believe that all living creatures are endowed with conciousness. However, I believe those things for ME. I absolutely support people who choose to eat meat because it is their choice. I know VERY few vegetarians and plenty of carnivors and that's fine. I like them all. I'll eat with them when they dine on meat, but I won't cook it. Morality means not placing judgement on people OR their actions. I don't want to eat meat, but I don't judge someone else doing it because I know that it isn't the right choice for everyone. I know it is right for ME and that's all that matters. And by the way, polygamy will solve the problem of more women than men in the world? First, is it a problem? Second, HUH!!??? ------------------ Me fail English? That's unpossible.
some of my best friends are gay, but I still prefer threads about race relations over gay persecution. sigh...but no one will hangout and talk to me about my topic
