Will the Rockets be able to keep Von?

tmac after surgery + james white > von

plus if the rockets dont get out of the first round i see ron gone also,but even if the rockets get out of first round, then national tv and other teams will see von more and more and the further we go in playoffs ,the more von gets paid...the rockets are in a no win situation with von, just let him walk,and keep ron and bring back tmac and white..or if you are going to lose von and ron , then do a sign and trade von/artest/landry for amare stoudmire

 

Some of you guys act like hes the second coming of Dwayne Wade or something. He's been very good off the bench for us because hes able to put 100% into every minute he has. If he had to play 40 minutes, he would surely not be as effective.

As long as Wafer does not become a decent defender, he will never get anything near MLE money. The era of the NYK throwing 50million contracts at anyone who can score over 10 points is over. Teams are much wiser now, no one will give him more than 3m/year and thats very affordable for us. If you look around the league, everyone already has a Von Wafer type. JR Smith, Barbosa, Azubuike, Ariza, Roger Mason, CJ Miles. The reason we think hes valuable is because we haven't had that guy since Maxwell.

 

I def. see your reasoning. What worries me though is that your quick action to offer him the full MLE, although a good gesture toward Von, may demonstrate a desperation on the part of the rockets to hold on to him. It also may cause another team to quickly outbid us and therefore push us into a bidding war we can't afford. Now, personally, I def believe we should do whatever it takes to keep Von. I just have this gut feeling he could be redemption for letting go of both Richardson and not drafting Lewis. If we let go of Von, I could see him developing into a player similar to either of the two above. I say we offer him something along of the lines of 3 years 10-12 million.

What do you think?

 

Wafer has been making shots lately, which is good for Rox, but if his shots aren't falling, he doesn't do anything else to help the team win. He's an one dimesional G/SF, doesn't rebound well, doesn't defend well, doesn't make wise decisions, plays selfish many times, takes shots whenever possible.

Nobody will be crazy enough to pay Wafer near MLE. Carl Landry as a PF only gets one 3 mil per year, nobody will offer more than that for a one dimensional wing player. He'd be a bench player on any good team for around 15 minutes per game, that kind of player doesn't get MLE.

Wafer just replaced AB as the most overrated player on Rox.

 

I think Von will get a contract that's very similar to Landry's. Whether or not we're the team that gives it to him, I don't know. I would think that his production in the playoffs will determine whether he gets more or less than 3M. Full MLE from last year was $5.36M, so I doubt any GM would be offering him that type of money in this economic climate.

I really like Von and you have to believe that the organization wants to keep him. And since we were a team that gave him a chance when no one else would, I think Von would like to stay here in Houston.

 

If your goal is losing.


Statistics back up Ron's floor production and plus/minus increases.

DINGDINGDING

 

From past posts there is no doubt that DD would give the full MLE to Von to keep him here, if DD was the GM of rockets. If rockets is going to offer that kind of money, imho Von is here to stay.

But that is too expensive to pay for a backup SG like Von, and here is my reasons:
1. Either a healthy TMac returns and plays well, or a trade for a player of similar caliber is highly likely. Von's munites is not going to increase. For that kind of minutes, Von will be the 7/8th guy off the bench (after Landry, after/at the same time as Lowry). MLE is too much for a player of that kind of a role.
2. Landry and Scoloa are making around 3M and they are more valuable for the success of this team, why all of a sudden the rockets pay someone of a lesser role much more than them?
3. It is questionable how Von holds up with extended minutes. His play depends a lot on his hassle/energy on the offensive end; it is quite safe to predict that he won't be equally effective if playing a start SG. His "ball-hog" style also determined that he is best used as a spark off the bench. His defense is again not quite at a start SG's level. Now, would NO still acquire him, if intending to play him a spark off the bench?

I like Von's play. He won several games for the rockets this season. I would love to see rockets keep him at a reasonable price (less than 3M). There may be some team which will offer MLE, in that case just let Von go. Management is a huge part of the game, and the rockets has a great role model neighbor to learn from: a lot of teams would have paid Mano and Parker a lot more than the spurs. Morey mentioned that he liked flexibility. Once you are in a bad contract, you lost flexibilty. I totally agree.

 

As there is a good chance that all player Pay will be cut by at least 20%, inorder to help owners/NBA teams survive the economy.
So about $3 mil/year sounds about the right amount. Y

 

My question is: Will Morey & Adelman want Wafer back?

Wafer has some offensive talents, no doubt. But Wafer is also a bonehead at BOTH ends. Did you guys see Wafer jumping like a monkey at the backcourt in last game? Wafer loves to leave his feet.

Morey brought in James White is a very interesting move. So, I really think it will depend on how the summer league plays out.

 

von is NOT worth the MLE much less full MLE if there is a difference.

 

Agree, he is playing exceptionally well right now and a very good fit for this particular team, but I don't see tons of teams after him or even anybody talking about throwing their full MLE on him which is just ludicrous. He is one of Moreys diamonds in the rough that he found and the kid should really blossom under Adelmans system, but I don't see him signing for anymore than what Landry recieved this past offseason. Great and aggresive athlete that needs to develop his BB IQ.

 

I'm going to agree with you. I'm sold on Von Wafer as a guy who can be very productive for 30 minutes a game. I like what Ron brings and won't be mad if he is resigned but I just don't see him being that good 2-3 years from now. This team has turned in the direction of surrounding Yao with young, athletic players so I why let one of the young horses go in order to keep two aging players (Ron and Tmac) who have injury problems. Luckily, I think Morey is going to find a way to keep Ron and Wafer.

I think you can count on Tracy being gone by midseason regardless of what he does on the court. My guess is that Ron will be resigned to a 4-5 deal, Wafer will get a shorter, cheaper deal and Tmac will get a new set of luggage. Hopefully, the Rockets will be able to pull the trigger on a deal to bring in a real PG, a 6'9ish defender (ala Travis Outlaw) and maybe have some scraps leftover to bring in a big banger to back up Yao.

I can promise you that if Ron is resigned Tracy is gone. Injuries or not those two proved they cannot or will not play together so only one at most will be left when the smoke clears at the end of the trade deadline next season.

 

If he gets that he'll be lucky. I still see Barry's minutes being ramped up come playoff time when you need experience and a brain. And every possesion will count.

 

von is still 100% in "i have to make it" mode. will he still play like this with the security of a 3/4/5 year contract?

he's playing for his livelihood, and you can see it in the effort he's giving.

it could be a good signing to lock him up for a little while, or it could be the very definition of contract year.

 

Wafer and Lowry are huge bright spots for the rockets future. I still see alot of holes in Von Wafers game, but his upside is off the charts. He really changes the complexion of the game when he comes in with his ability to attack the basket with total abandon. Lots of chemistry between him and Lowry. He's going to make mistakes but its part of the growing process.