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Will the Rockets be able to keep Von?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by DaDakota, Apr 9, 2009.

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Will the Rockets be able to keep Von?

  1. Yes - Morey will pay up to the MLE for him

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    32.6%
  2. No - Other teams will pay more than the Rockets will be willing to pay

    104 vote(s)
    12.0%
  3. Maybe - As long as it is a reasonable contract (under $3 million)

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    55.4%
  1. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    LOL - I do like Wafer.....


    Maybe, it all depends on needs of the other teams, they tend to overpay to stop clubs from matching and right now, the Rockets are carrying around a $20 million dollar anchor.....hopefully Tmac comes back, but that is a big if....

    So a team may be able to force the Rockets into a Lux Tax decision regarding Wafer.

    DD
     
  2. Vrazz

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    Whatever the team decides to do with T-Mac will directly affect Von's situation. The better scenario for Von would obviously be T-Mac being released or traded.

    I love Von, but.......he needs to learn to control himself when he decides to create. Alot of times he over commits to something and when it doesn't work he causes turnovers.
     
  3. DaDakota

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    You know.....I have heard this a lot, but the stats don't show that at all, he averages less than 1 turnover a game.....and more than 1 assist per game.

    So, he is not turnover prone at all.

    Check the stats

    DD
     
  4. caffreys_irish_ale

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    a TON will have to do with how Von performs in the playoffs. If he A-Rods it (basically strikes out) then he'll be cheap, but if he goes crazy and helps to get us to the WCF or better yet the Finals then I would say 'hell' yes to the MLE.
     
  5. DaDakota

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    Great point......as fearlessly as he plays I would be shocked if he doesn't do the same in the playoffs.....he just plays hard and fast.....not too much worrying about stuff.

    It is the players that worry about the situation that tend to decline in the playoffs, IMO.

    DD
     
  6. DrJB25

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    NO is trying to dump contracts.. No way they sign him. They are trying to get rid of Ty Chandler, their only center.
     
  7. LAYGO

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    I like Von & hope he can stay, but not at the expense of breaking the bank.

    That reverse dunk the other night & his emotion, I love the emotion more than the dunk. Just like I loved seeing Yao with the 3rd put back attempt with a dunk & how fired up he was . . .
     
  8. Tom Bombadillo

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    Hmm, I really just do not think that highly of Wafer. I mean, I love Wafer, but to me, he is not as good a player as say a Kelenna Azubuike, who I would never pay 5 million a year for... At the right price(Under 3 million), maybe.

    The playoffs will determine what happens with Von Wafer...
     
  9. stipendlax

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    This was an area that needed improvement at the beginning of the season. It seemed like he would attack the basket relentlessly, without thinking ahead.

    As of late, he seems to be playing at a much higher level (basketball IQ wise). He's making great improvements and his growth has been joyful to watch.
     
  10. Vrazz

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    Interesting....Nice find.

    Maybe it would lean in the category of missed shots then. Because I applaud him when he tries to create, but his thought process during a drive in the lane is sometimes react then think....instead of think then react.

    Perhaps it seems like he's creating turnovers because missed or rushed shots lead to the other team getting the rebounds.
     
  11. Tom Bombadillo

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    Dumb mistake prone, He honestly can change the momentum of a game for/or against his team. A number of times Adelman has just pulled him right out of the game because his decision making can be a problem. That is what keeps him from more PT.
     
  12. DaDakota

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    Fair enough, but his shooting percentages are the highest out of all our Guards and small forwards.

    So, he is the most efficient scorer of the bunch.

    Too bad Adelman doesn't do that to Ron.

    :D


    DD
     
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    I don't think we will sign him. i think for whatever reason it just won't happen.

    However, he may not go for huge contract just like that. He has been with liek 3-4 teams and no one longer than year so far. We are the first team to give him a real chance. If we give a long-ish contract (thinking 3 yrs with team option 4th yr) with which he can stay here for a few years and not have to worry too much about "will I be here next year," he maybe stay with us. I think it also depends on far we get in the playoffs. If we make the 2nd ronud or even the WCF, he may realize that sticking with us may also increase his chances of getting a ring in the future (that is if you believe that is in our future)
     
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    Hmm DD thats a pretty steep price? Full MLE? I'm not sure about that.
     
  15. DaDakota

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    It is, but I tend to not care about spending Les' money.

    :D

    I am sure Morey will be more prudent....but I think whomever said James White was the insurance for Von leaving, is right on the money.

    DD
     
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    He's a poor man's Vernon Maxwell...Maxwell was more ruthless on offense and defense. He could finish better even though he probably couldn't jump as high. Maxwell had better BBIQ. Maxwell was the best accelerator I've ever seen in the NBA for his size (6'4'')...he was a fighter

    Von is only 23 though, so maybe he could grow into being a Maxwell type player...
     
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    Von is a really good scorer but not much else, and i question how well he would score if there weren't players like Yao, Ron and Scola around him who get more attention. I'm sure other teams see this. I think people get too caught up in looking at fg%'s but there's much more to look at than that. He contributes very little on the boards, plays bad defense, and is a poor playmaker.

    I'd compare him to CJ Miles of the Jazz, a similar player and young. He signed for 4 years/$15 mil, I don't see Wafer getting much more than that, certainly not a full MLE.
     
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    We're lucky DM isn't as prodigal as you. :D
     
  19. HowsMyDriving

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    doubt the rockets pay much to keep von.

    he's a great story and has been a huge lift to our team, but if it takes more than a landry type of deal to keep him, i think he's gone.
     
  20. CheezeyBoy22

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    My overall take is this, everything is going to depend on how we do in the playoffs. And when I say everything, I mean not only Von but the team in general. If they can somehow advance deep into the playoffs maybe say WCF, then I think Les will open that pocket book. I also think Morey will look to make a trade. He knows that we are in a win now mode.

    As for Von, if he can play just as good or better than what he is doing now, some team is going to try and give him a long term contract. I can't say he'll get the full MLE but it would be close. *Remember folks* The salary cap is going down for this upcoming offseason. Teams are going to try to play it smart and try to find great pick ups on the cheap side.

    But my overall feeling is that Von will come back to Houston. I think since the Rockets actually gave him a chance will play a big factor overall on how he decides. And if he doesn't sign with the Rockets, Morey signed James White for a reason....

    DD, as for New Orleans, I do agree they need a shooting guard badly but that team is in some real financial problems. They are going to be really pressed to trade Chandler right after the season is over. They can't afford to play the luxary tax. I could actually see New Orleans taking a backstep for next year.
     
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