1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

Will the Rockets acquire both Dwight & Deron this offseason?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Furious Jam, Jun 7, 2012.

?

Will the Rockets acquire both Dwight & Deron this offseason?

  1. Yes

    16.0%
  2. No

    84.0%
  1. caneks

    caneks Rookie

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2007
    Messages:
    1,473
    Likes Received:
    226
    no chance on any one of them
     
  2. jopatmc

    jopatmc Member

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2002
    Messages:
    15,370
    Likes Received:
    390


    So, where do you think Howard will go?
     
  3. jopatmc

    jopatmc Member

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2002
    Messages:
    15,370
    Likes Received:
    390

    Interesting.

    Don't forget a combination of Lowry and our #14 should land a top 5 pick.

    Not to mention Martin's expiring can likely be parlayed into a first rounder and perhaps even a couple contracts that can be bought out (Miller and/or Webster).
     
  4. Fullcourt

    Fullcourt Member

    Joined:
    Nov 16, 2007
    Messages:
    7,322
    Likes Received:
    2,710
    Tbh I don't think anything is worth getting excited over until Orlando actually indicates they are seeking a trade. If they want to wait and see if Dwight would consider staying, one have have to think that hurts our chances.
     
  5. Moonscope

    Moonscope Member

    Joined:
    Apr 16, 2009
    Messages:
    798
    Likes Received:
    52
    https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/215651211985166336

    Don't know how to post tweets properly - someone please let me know.


    Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine
    Dragging out GM search would suggest Magic have delayed decision over Dwight's fate again. New guy supposed to sort this out by draft day?


    This certainly would be a difficult situation coming into but I would suppose that any person in the GM interviews would have given their strategy in dealing with Dwight and possible trade scenarios.
     
  6. J.R.

    J.R. Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2008
    Messages:
    114,113
    Likes Received:
    176,477
    You see the link you posted? You should see in that link, a little under the tweet it says 'Embed this tweet', a box will pop up, copy the code from there, paste the code here and there you have it! :)

    Anywho, as I've previously said, I don't think he's moved by draft night.
     
  7. Moonscope

    Moonscope Member

    Joined:
    Apr 16, 2009
    Messages:
    798
    Likes Received:
    52
    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Dragging out GM search would suggest Magic have delayed decision over Dwight's fate again. New guy supposed to sort this out by draft day?</p>&mdash; Marc Stein (@ESPNSteinLine) <a href="https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/215649876724289537" data-datetime="2012-06-21T03:38:31+00:00">June 21, 2012</a></blockquote>
    <script src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

    Sweet thanks :)
     
  8. nolimitnp

    nolimitnp Member

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2007
    Messages:
    3,817
    Likes Received:
    706
    <iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/ry4iwzS4Na0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
     
  9. Aruba77

    Aruba77 Member

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 1999
    Messages:
    15,444
    Likes Received:
    19,022
    what if ....monkeys fly out of my butt
     
  10. JoeBarelyCares

    Joined:
    Jan 9, 2001
    Messages:
    6,609
    Likes Received:
    1,883
    If Golden State is one of the rental teams as rumored, I think they can offer a better package than the Rockets: Bogut, Dorell Wright and the #7 pick for Dwight.
     
  11. juanm34

    juanm34 Member

    Joined:
    Feb 19, 2009
    Messages:
    6,772
    Likes Received:
    7,931
    My magic 8ball predicts yes!
     
  12. ctry2582

    ctry2582 Member

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2003
    Messages:
    1,227
    Likes Received:
    27
    Stein just posted an article that it's between Dallas or Brooklyn. I dunno how to paste from my phone, either.
     
  13. Omer

    Omer Member

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2006
    Messages:
    3,933
    Likes Received:
    56
    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>You have to love @<a href="https://twitter.com/dmorey">dmorey</a>. Every time I check in w/sources close to a big free agent the last few years, Houston's name is always mentioned</p>&mdash; Chris Mannix (@ChrisMannixSI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChrisMannixSI/status/216745082613792769" data-datetime="2012-06-24T04:10:29+00:00">June 24, 2012</a></blockquote>
    <script src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
     
  14. houston#1

    houston#1 Rookie

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2009
    Messages:
    1,552
    Likes Received:
    289
    I believe in Morey.
     
  15. ObamaFan

    ObamaFan Member

    Joined:
    Apr 22, 2012
    Messages:
    1,796
    Likes Received:
    24
    If Morey gets Deron Williams and Dwight Howard, he should recieve a lifetime contract with the Rockets

    keyword is "IF"
     
  16. JoeBarelyCares

    Joined:
    Jan 9, 2001
    Messages:
    6,609
    Likes Received:
    1,883
    http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/sto...ng-brooklyn-nets-dallas-mavericks-sources-say

    Sources: Deron Williams prefers 2

    Updated: June 24, 2012, 12:35 AM ET
    By Marc Stein | ESPN.com

    When NBA free agency begins at midnight July 1, Brooklyn Nets star guard Deron Williams will be choosing from a two-team list that only features the Nets and the Dallas Mavericks, according to sources close to the situation.

    Sources told ESPN.com on Saturday night that, while this summer's No. 1 free agent remains "up in the air" about which team he'll ultimately chose, Williams already has made the decision to narrow his list of potential destinations to those two franchises.

    Other teams, including the Phoenix Suns, Portland Trail Blazers and Houston Rockets, had been hoping to lodge their own bids for Williams once free agency begins, sources said. The Los Angeles Lakers, likewise have continued to express interest in a sign-and-trade package built around Pau Gasol for Williams, sources say, despite the Nets' longstanding insistence that they have no interest in Gasol and would only consider such a move if they were getting back All-Star center Andrew Bynum, whom the Lakers have not made available.

    Sources say Williams, in any case, already has instructed his representatives to advise any team that calls starting at 12:01 a.m. July 1 that he intends to either re-sign with the Nets or return to his hometown with the Mavericks after a glittering high school career in the Dallas area.

    The Nets have expressed confidence all season in their ability to retain Williams, pointing to the team's forthcoming move to Brooklyn, increased off-court marketing opportunities for Williams with a team bound for New York and the fact that Russian billionaire owner Mikhail Prokhorov can offer a contract one-year longer than Dallas can worth nearly $100 million.

    The maximum four-year offer the Mavericks can counter with approaches $75 million. But sources close to the process say Williams has ruled out every other suitor apart from the 2011 champions because of his respect for Mavs cornerstones Dirk Nowitzki and Jason Kidd and his belief that owner Mark Cuban would make the follow-up moves necessary to return Dallas to title contention after a first-round exit in the 2012 playoffs.

    While Williams is already settled in the New York area and known to have enjoyed his time living there, sources say he already has done some preliminary househunting in Dallas this month in the event that he chooses to return to the Western Conference. He's been with the Brooklyn-bound club since Feb. 23, 2011, when the Utah Jazz followed up the New York Knicks' acquisition of Carmelo Anthony by dealing Williams to Prokhorov's Nets, who had chased Anthony for months.

    During a promotional appearance in Los Angeles earlier this month, Williams made it clear that he'll choose the team he feels is best positioned to contend for a championship fastest, expressing disappointment that he has tasted very little of the playoffs since leading Utah to the Western Conference finals in 2007.

    "I want to go to a place where I feel like they will have a chance to build and build fast," Williams told the Los Angeles Times. "I'm not really in the mood for being part of a rebuilding process. I'm getting older. I'm about to be 28. I want to win. I want to win now. Also, I want to live in a place where I want to live and my kids will enjoy living. That's pretty much it."

    The decision, then, would appear to be riding on which team's future he rates higher.

    The Nets are hoping the expected re-signing of swingman Gerald Wallace, big man Brook Lopez's pending return from foot trouble and Prokhorov's pledge to keep trying to trade for Orlando Magic center Dwight Howard ultimately will convince Williams to stay.

    The Mavs' pitch centers around Nowitzki's proven ability to lead a team to a championship, Cuban's history of repeatedly reloading the roster and Dallas' contention that the path to the Finals might be slightly easier in the West in spite of the Oklahoma City Thunder's collection of talented youngsters, given that several of the West's top contenders -- such as San Antonio and the Lakers -- have older rosters.

    Williams' mother, Denise Smith, told ESPNDallas.com's Jeff Caplan in an interview this week that even she doesn't know which team Williams will choose. But she did say she expects her son to end the suspense quickly.

    "No, no I don't (know)," Smith told ESPNDallas.com by phone from her home in the Dallas suburb of The Colony. "I thought he was going one way and another time thought he was going another way."

    "I think he and his agent have gone over all of the possibilities and I think it (his decision) will be made pretty fast," Smith continued. "I think he wants it out of the way, just because I know I'm asked every day, so I know he's asked a million times.

    Williams and his wife, Amy, who first met in the second grade, have four children. In recent offseasons, though, Williams has based his family in Utah, San Diego and Manhattan, preferring to keep some distance from his Texas roots.

    The All-Star guard is scheduled to join his Team USA teammates in Las Vegas on July 5 for the first day of training camp before the London Olympics, but Williams will likely be forced to sit out practices until July 11, which is the first day new contracts can legally be signed this offseason.
     
  17. jopatmc

    jopatmc Member

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2002
    Messages:
    15,370
    Likes Received:
    390

    1. I don't think GS will rent Dwight at this point because they will have no way to add Deron to entice him to stay. For them to trade for Dwight, they're gonna have to get a commitment from him to extend there.

    2. I don't think that trade you brought up gives Orlando enough. If they trade Dwight, they are rebuilding. Therefore, they will want to move out contracts with Dwight. Your deal doesn't do that.


    IMO,

    the teams that have the best shot at landing Dwight are:

    1. Orlando - they're still the frontrunners.

    2. Houston - we can trade them a pile of youngsters, expirings, and picks and take back a couple of their bad contracts (One of JRich/BigBaby and one of QRich/Duhon), and still have enough cap room to go after DWill with a max contract.

    3. Boston - they could pony up Pierce and Rondo and take back Hedo and go after DWill in free agency.

    4. Clippers - if they decide to offer up both Blake and Deandre

    5. Lakers - if they decide to offer up both Bynum and Gasol. But then they have no way of obtaining DWill.

    6. Portland could package 6, 11, and some young talent.

    7. New Orleans could offer 10, 46, next years first rounder, and several expiring contracts and take back salary and still have enough room to go after Deron.
     
    #97 jopatmc, Jun 24, 2012
    Last edited: Jun 24, 2012
  18. jopatmc

    jopatmc Member

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2002
    Messages:
    15,370
    Likes Received:
    390
    Once again, remember what is happening here.

    If you understand that DWill and Dwight are trying to get to the same team understand the dynamic. DWill can say anything he wants to say right now. He's an unrestricted free agent. So, he's trying to use verbal leverage to get Orlando to move his man to one of those two destinations. DWill will stay in Brooklyn to be Robin to Dwight's batman. And he'll gladly go home if he can't play with Dwight. He's putting this out there mainly to try to deter teams that would trade for Dwight on a rental basis.

    All I will say is this, IF DWIGHT IS TRADED TO HOUSTON, Morey will be on the horn talking to DWill and DWill is going to have to listen. He may decide not to come here but him and Dwight are going to have to listen to the plan.

    DWill
    Dragic
    Parsons
    Dwight
    Motie

    with
    Duhon (or somebody)
    Lee
    Kirilenko
    Camby
    Big Baby

    is a championship contending team. And Morey has the pieces to get it done if Orlando decides to trade him and rebuild.
     
  19. HillBoy

    HillBoy Member

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2003
    Messages:
    8,939
    Likes Received:
    2,343
    I think this "dynamic" that you are seeing is one that you want to see. I realize that there's been a lot of speculation in the media in that Williams & Howard want to be on the same team but that stems more from what happened in Miami than anything else (the theory being that all of the star players will want to play with each other). I would have to classify this happening in Houston as more wishful thinking than anything else. Up here in Dallas, I have been hearing exactly what Stein reported for the past month. DWilliams doesn't have to listen to Morey at all. Even if Morey makes the trade for Howard, I just don't see him signing an extension to stay on without some sort of commitment or indication from DWilliams that he will come here to play. And I don't see Williams doing that unless Howard first signs that extension. I really see your point here - that Howard & Williams are somehow secretly pulling another "Superfriends" scenario - but I just don't buy it.
     
  20. Furious Jam

    Furious Jam Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Sep 29, 2002
    Messages:
    2,905
    Likes Received:
    1,606
    Remember this is Marc Stein, who lives in DALLAS, and who covered the Mavs for 5 years before joining ESPN. He's being fed this information by the Mavs. Take it with a grain of salt.

    I still say if we get Dwight on draft night, Deron will come here. Seriously, would you rather play with 34 year old Dirk or 26 year old Dwight?
     

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now