Will Rick Adelman put T-Mac in the starting lineup?

FIFY...has nothing to do with injury....

Injuries only magnify existing traits.

DD

 

yea his history involves him being one of the best players in the game, all-nba caliber, and coaches raving about the guy.

UNTIL LAST YEAR, when the dude basically limps and still was able to compete on some nights v. elite HEALTHY nba players.

nothing to do with injury... lol, yet your arguments always revolve around it
1) him not moving around and hold the ball -> umm... b/c he can't move around
2) him not putting good effort on D -> umm... b/c he can't move laterally

i had problems with how he handled things last year, and he let his INJURY got to his head mentally.

but every year before last year, i love the way he played for our team. JVG did. les did. adelman did when he first came here. and morey definitely did.

 

eh..he'll probably be benched for a couple of games depending on the standings but at this rate, he won't be needing to start anytime soon. I really don't want him to mess up the chemistry so personally, I don't want him to start.

 

Sigh..fine.

DD

 

well, guess he shouldnt have made all those all-nba teams. i mean... sighs.

i mean, he was so cancerous for so many years. how come no one saw it? he was such a bad teammate and bad for his teams? damn.

 

How many championship rings come with all NBA teams?

I didn't say he was cancerous, I said he was a quitter, which he admits himself.

I liked him fine enough for a while, but now, the team has moved on, and is playing better basketball without him.

Him coming back would move Chase to the bench, take the ball out of Lowry and Brooks hands more often and hinder their development...IMO.....

So, don't want him back.

DD

 

oh also,

damn, how he get all those MVP votes? he has finished top 6 FIVE TIMES. how the hell did he do that by half-assing on O and D, being selfish, all about me me me...

sighs

 

Again, never said that, said his style doesn't fit anymore....context T_mac1, context.

And to say a guy that whines about his touches is not about himself even a bit is disengenous on your part.

DD

 

you said tracy coming back doesn't fit the team's style, would not try on defense, would not pass the ball b/c he's all about himself, would just get his stats to get a new contract... those are characteristics of a cancer.

i agree with you that tracy moving would help the team b/c he's too injury-proned. but if he stays and plays, he would also help us b/c his skillset is unique in this league. every team values what a healthy tracy mcgrady brings to the floor (key: healthy).

there's a reason not every team runs an adelman's offense. it's still about stars and morey knows that. star guards like mcgrady all play the same way. why? b/c they're stars.

hypothetical: if we trade tracy mcgrady for a joe johnson, would you be fine with that? joe johnson would put chase to the bench, take the ball out of brooks and lowry...

basically from reading your posts, you do not want another star guard ever again.

 

If....If...if......

Not gonna win much relying on If.

I will take player history for 1000 Alex !

DD

 

you do know that he was in the heat of the MVP voting the first year adelman was here right?

and you also know that yao complained at the beginning of adelman's regime saying he is not used right by being in the high post rather than the low post right?

 

This is not my discussion, but t_mac1, do you realize that DaDakota is talking about the fact that McGrady doesn't ever succeeded in a team oriented system and you try to confront that based on individual awards??

Seriously, Iverson was MVP of the league, and he is not a team first guy. Actually there are very little team oriented players that have been voted to the MVP award. I can remember Hakeem, Duncan, Robinson of recent history.

Try to compare those guys with McGrady, not in their games, but in their mental approach to the game itself, and you'll get what DaDakota means.

 

answer my question: if we had a chance to get joe johnson, would you be ok with it?

b/c he would put chase to the bench, and ball out of brooks/lowry's hands?

 

Seth, I am not sure they can......that is precisely what I have been saying...repeatedly.....

Whatever, I have certainly tried, gonna have fun bumping these threads at some point though.

DD

 

I dare any of the T-Mac lovers to give me a good argument about keeping T-Mac without using the words "if" and "healthy". (which are basicallyy 2 if's)

 

Waste of time alert...waste of time alert....

WWWOOOOOOOT......WOOOOOOOOOTTT.....WOOOOOOOOTTTTT

Not apples to apples, attention please, keep the discussion in the runway...

Thank you, have a nice day.

DD

 

i brought up all-nba teams and MVP votes. those are more than just individual awards. the guys who vote for those awards also take into account how you impact your TEAM and help your teammates be better.

hakeem/duncan/robinson may not have won MVP awards, but they're ALWAYS in the MVP conversations. why? b/c they help their TEAMS. my point is you dont' get into that conversation by being the player DD describes.

you never hear marbury in his prime being an MVP candidate, do you? stats don't mean a whole in MVP or all-nba debates. look at carmelo anthony before last year too if you want to know what i'm talking about.

 

that's the same with yao too or any injury-prone players.

 

Hmm much as I like Tmac I believe Tmac would have to start games on the bench, for the same reasons that AI did: he's coming off injury, he hasn't practiced with the team, he hasn't developed chemistry, and giving him the starting nod after he quit last year would be like a slap in the face to Battier, AB and even Ariza who signed with us.


However, we're talking about Rick "no conflict" the Ruler here. He'll probably start Tmac over Battier/Ariza, Tmac would be rusty in his first game back and a whole lot of "Tmac sucks/selfish" would come pop up in the garm lol.

 

Very simple. They have to see what he's got left in the tank.
As Dakota said probably try to showcase him a lil.