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Will Rick Adelman put T-Mac in the starting lineup?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by RyanB, Nov 7, 2009.

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  1. crash5179

    crash5179 Member

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    wrong post
     
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  2. Seth

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    Looks to me that Iverson is a cancer right now, look at last year's Detroit, Denver the year before, his last years as a Sixer and his present in Memphis.
    I think Iversona is actually a better version of McGrady, cause he has a lot of heart. But he fit's DaDakota description. (not in the bad defense)
    Also considered...

    Gibert Arenas All NBA several times
    Stephon Marbury Two-time All-NBA selection (third team in 2000 and 2003)
     
  3. Seth

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    I prefer, because he is expiring.
     
  4. daywalker02

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    Tracy said he wanted to win when he got traded to the Rockets. He said he didn't care whether his numbers slip. And his numbers slipped way down.
     
  5. t_mac1

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    1) iverson's game can't adjust b/c he's a unique type of player. if you don't see how he plays, then that's you. in his prime, iverson wasn't a cancer.

    2) gilbert arenas has never had a bad name. he's been to the 2nd round, and his owner just gave him a max contract. the only thing odd about him is his blogs and new persona of not talking to the media

    3) stephon marbury made those all-nba teams when he shut his mouth and played good basketball. his team made the playoffs those years (remember that year in phoenix when they nearly shocked the champion spurs?)

    point is, tracy mcgrady is CONSISTENTLY in the all-nba/MVP talks when healthy. he's not just in one or 2 or 3 year stretch, he's in it EVERY year that he's healthy. BIG difference.
     
  6. TheGreat

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    Tracy IS A MUCH different player then Iverson, Marbury, ect.
     
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    I know I couldn't do it!

    Signed,

    A.I.
     
  8. Seth

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    I would allow you to say that on Marbury, but Iverson? Heck of a defender, Heart like no one, has been on the NBA finals with a mediocre team (and a good coach).

    T-Mac has yet to play a Second Round game. He has a good chance this year, if he buys into the system and helps a bunch of players that have more second round experience than him.
     
  9. daywalker02

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    See. I don't mind people say he will be traded. But guys who are constantly harping on how bad a teammate he is just because the rest of the team is playing well and attack him relentlessly just because they think they know everything there is to know about bball makes me speechless.
    Respect works both ways. Somebody who looks down on other posters because they believe in one player is not is going to fail one day.
     
  10. Deckard

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    This was a star at work. 5 years ago...


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  11. t_mac1

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    iverson in his prime was a more dominant player than tracy. but his skillset is completely different from mcgrady.

    tracy can play multiple positions and score in a variety of ways, thus allowing him to remain in the league even if he's 34 or 35.

    iverson simply can't adjust his game b/c he can only score in one way: penetration.
     
  12. Seth

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    Don't jump on conclusions on how i think? I don't think he is a bad teammate because the team plays better without him (which can also be said). But because he has thrown his teammates, coach, and franchise last year.
    Say what you want, but what he did was basically that.
     
  13. TheGreat

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    I just cant look at this video anymore. His trainer has ****ED him up so badly. Sorry for the language but damn, he was so smooth back then.
     
  14. daywalker02

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    Actually I was talking about somebody else who is not here at the moment.
     
  15. Seth

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    Really?
    Iverson career FG % .425 3p % .313
    T-Mac career FG % .436 3p % .339

    Not to say that you are assuming T-Mac will be better at adjusting than Iverson, which is only and assumption.
     
  16. sephiroth.hk

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    If tmac can come back healthy, I guess Battier will come from bench.
    Battier can play multiple position from 2 to 4 according to the match-up.

    start:
    brooks, tmac, ariza, scola, hayes.

    bench:
    lowry, budinger, battier, landry, anderson.
     
  17. t_mac1

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    dude, watch their styles of play.

    tracy can post up in the low or high post, he can shoot the 3, he can go through screens, or penetrate.

    iverson can only score/create via penetration primarily.

    if you can play in multiple ways, its easier for you to adjust.
     
  18. Seth

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    It should be easier to adjust. Adjusting is never easy... Tell that to Duncan, who should be able to adjust even easier than T-Mac and is having a bad time.
     
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    duncan is having a bad time adjusting? beats me. dude is playing just 29 minutes and is putting up 15 and 12. and the team is integrating jefferson plus a few other new players. he's shooting 54%.

    duncan is just getting less touches.
     
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    I'd like to see Adelman utilize McGrady and Ariza much as he does Brooks and Lowry - play them together in spurts but separately for the most part. This would allow each to be the main scorer while they're on the court instead of trying too hard to defer to each other. Ariza is just getting used to his role as the scoring guard, and having to play next to McGrady could dilute his effectiveness.

    This "platoon" system would also allow Adelman to play Battier and Budinger as complementary wings, roles they are perfect for. Right now, I'd prefer to see McGrady and Battier together with Brooks as the PG; McGrady would bring another playmaker to the lineup, while Battier and McGrady always played well together.

    Meanwhile Ariza would fit nicely with our bench Big Three - Lowry, Budinger and Landry. That lineup would run most teams' benches off the court.

    But I could see other combinations being effective as well.
     

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