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Will Rafer Alston Be Successful under Adelman?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by hotballa, May 24, 2007.

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  1. DonkeyMagic

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    thats not true. Rafer can easily play 30 minutes and the rockets still be dam good. People act like he was just horrible out there and hurt more than he helped. thats just not true.

    the problem was that there was no one good and PROVEN player behind him that brings a different skill set off the bench.
     
  2. texanskan

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    not true at all, if Rafer and Span share the time at point and we upgrade over Luther's spot plus add a 4 we can win the title.

    I have faith in Snyder/Wells?/someone else we bring in can be an upgrade over Head Then you add a real 4 with Hayes and Span bringing energy off the bench things will look real good IMO.
     
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    http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3282/career

    To counter the video here is a look at his career stats. He may be a great backup and can show some of that agressiveness back from 2-3 years ago... but his numbers speak for themselves. :p
     
  4. Clutch

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    -- Rafer Alston shot 100% from the field in 04-05. If he can get back to that form, we are in business. DO NOT CHANGE A THING -- Let's rock!

    -- When Rafer drives, the African Childrens Choir busts in to song. That's just how he rolls.

    -- If opposing teams have Mo Taylor guarding Rafer Alston, we are going to dominate. I know because I just saw what he does to defenders like that. Do-min-ate.

    -- It's clear now that JVG put the cuffs on Rafer's game. Sura and Mike James could attack the basket under JVG? Rafer hoisted threes at a scary rate in Toronto and Miami too? Nah, those are not signs. Adelman will unleash the SKIP TERROR!!!!!!!!!!!!111 You will ALL see.
     
  5. wreck

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    YES!!!

    He wont be as hesitant to drive to the basket.

    Rafer can get to the rim ANYTIME he wants. Just that he was so used to passing and setting the plays and when he actually drove it in, he was hesitant and often missed.

    Jason Williams wasnt anything special and he flourished under Adelman.
     
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    He just can't get his shot off once he gets there!! Watch the tape. He cannot use his body to create space and allow him to make shots over taller defenders. All he does is throw it up. How many lay-ups did this cost him last year? Sadly... the numbers don't lie.... he is an average backup at best.
     
  7. Possum

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    Regardless of wether its Reafer or someone else, our PG's production should be better. I'm not a VanGundy hater but his style wasnt exactly producing great PG's over his career.
     
  8. ced

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    You know what is sad about this quote; it shows how a subjective view point can spew from such an objective person.

    I know all above quotes were in sarcasm in a faint effort to prove a point, but what you watched was a “highlight” tape, not “game” film. I was purely just trying to show the ability of Rafer and what he has been able to do in the past.

    No “African Childrens Choir” don’t burst in to song when he drives

    No he didn’t shoot 100% from the field in 04-05

    But what he did do is get to the basket and create for others. Now I’m not saying that you don’t try to upgrade the roster. Hell, everyone is upgradeable other the Yao and T-mac, even Battier is upgradeable. I was just pointing out to the fact that like in all years of Rockets past, it’s funny how someone always has to be the whipping boy. I guess it’s just the “Year of the Skip”.

    And the next time you want to throw darts and someone’s highlight tape, just remember how many tissues you went through when you were salivating over Stromile Swift’s .

    “Just a thought”
     
  9. Nice Rollin

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    when is the last time you saw rafer alston finish off a drive. when he drives in he throws up a prayer hoping it goes in or yao/chuck gets the rebound
     
  10. Clutch

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    LOL. I don't mind highlight videos and I'll even post them, but I think it's absolutely h-y-s-t-e-r-i-c-a-l when people use them to refute stats and actual history with our team.

    Watching Rafer make floaters and mid-range shots in the video is supposed to make me forget his floater ability here in Houston because JVG was on the sidelines?

    Seriously -- you're funny.
     
  11. blackistan

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    I hope we can get a new starting pg and possibly have rafer or vspan come off the bench
     
  12. Nice Rollin

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    yes he did shoot 100% from the field...watch the video again

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=l4qw917oiHA


    we will never win as long as Rafer Alston is on the team. We lose games cuz of him. WE DIDNT LOSE GAMES CUZ OF STRO SWIFT....3-11 and 5-14.....in game 7 he shot the ball 11 times. #1 thats way too much for a PG.....#2: 10 of the 11 shots were threes. not to mention he accidently banked in a wide open three to give us the lead

    this guy is a freaking joke

    he's the whipping boy cuz he plays 45 minutes and gives us the quality play of a backup pg...
     
  13. DaDakota

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    OK, I will concede that Rafer could play some meaningful minutes at backup PG.

    But I guess the main point I was trying to get across is that if the team is still relying on Rafer it will still NOT be championship caliber.

    DD
     
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    wow and i didnt even see this! He created for others? When? Mcgrady did all the creating due to penetration. this guy didnt create ****. when's the last time he made the defense converge? He created a couple of floaters. i'll give you that, but he i dont even think he made half of those shots. i cant remember the last time this guy was in the lane, and if he was in the lane he was shooting the ball. I never seen dribble penetration and dish to yao for a dunk...or battier for a three. I watched all 82 games, and i dont remember 1 time.

    ...and if he created he'd have more than 5 assists a game, and we'd still be playing right now.
     
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    Such a lot of nonsense coming out of the Forum about Alston!!!The problem with Alston is that he ISN'T A PLAYMAKER POINT GUARD even though he get assists he is a shoot first guard not a floor general and thaking charge on the court!! :p
     
  16. Clutch

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    I think ced was referring to Rafer with the 04-05 Raptors.
     
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    Point taken.. but you can’t tell me a coach can’t drop a player’s production, just as much as one can elevate one’s production. Like I said, name one PG that JVG had that actually was “better” under his system…. His system is best for post players and spot up shooters, which worked back in the day when there was illegal defense, but now days you need movement. And a coach the allows the players some freedom will get a better result. I’m not even talking about Golden State, or Phoenix. I’ve seen San Antonio play with more movement than the Rockets.

    You can number crunch all you want, but if you take numbers into account you have to look at the type of shots that were taken. I can guarantee you most weren’t high percentage shots.
    I guess we just have to agree to disagree and wait till’ next season. I’ve been wrong before.

    And on the “You’re funny” comment.. your sarcasm is getting old.
     
  18. DaDakota

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    But Ced, Rafer is not good at hitting any of those shots, not good at the stand alone shot, not good at the mid range shot, and not good at the finishing at the rim shot.

    I believe if Rafer is the starting PG at the END of next season, the team will still not be ready to compete for a championship, he just has too many holes in his game.

    DD
     
  19. Clutch

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    That's not sarcasm. Anyone who can, with presumably a straight face, tell us how awesome Rafer really is after we all just witnessed two years of this dog on our favorite team is borderline stand-up caliber. Give yourself a hand.
     
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    Well right but I mean he has a lot better capability of driving to the basket then shooting 3s
     

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