I'm thinking they must have some records or paper trail and are no going forward. if not, it will go down as you said and be a huge waste of money/time. lance will fight it like clemens
I wanted Bonds head and his records struck from the book. I wanted Roger indicted by the feds and his records removed too. I agreed with Marion Jones' punishment and was glad that the likes of Manny Ramirez, Miggy Tejada, and A-Rod were found to have tested positive. I just can't muster up the same kind of vitriol for Lance Armstrong, even though I feel more emotionally invested in his career than the other cheats. I would be profoundly dissapointed if it were proven that he cheated. I would not, however, condemn him or stop supporting him, and I have 325 million reasons why... I'm not typically an "ends justify the means" kind of guy. But Lance, if it takes you a little dope to raise $325 Million for cancer research, I'll inject you myself.
think of this...i think we can agree there is no way lance was doping on the tour last year or this year. he came in third place behind contador and schleck last year...two young guys who are relatively fresh to the tour. he would have won that race if those two weren't in the race. this year...it might have been a similar result if he hadn't had those crashes which took him out of it. given that...is it so impossible that he could have won those races back then without doping? could he have just been at the top of his game? everyone seems to know for sure he was doping and all these riders now accusing him without any physical evidence is obviously going to make all those who thought he was guilty in the first place just latch on to that to bring their own certainty to 99.9% guilty. i do not know what to believe. but, based on his performance last year when he came in third, it couldn't have just been the drugs boosting his performance...unless you claim he was doping in last year's race as well.
Do you think that anyone who finishes in the top 20 in the Tour de France is actually clean? Or do you think that just about everyone in cycling is doping?
I think that just about everyone in cycling is doping. That sport is rotten from the core, and has been for decades. The problem is that people whose success was based on doping (like, e.g., Rudy Pevenage, Bjarne Riis, etc.) are the ones who become the guys who run the teams. They know all too well that without doping, one cannot win in that sport. So they organize it, like it was organized for them when they were riders. It really is like the Mafia. I have seen long reports about it and seen former riders testify and talk about it in detail, who had nothing to gain from it. There is a Spanish guy whose name escapes me right now. He bluntly said that it is impossible to do the Tour de France start to finish without doping.
He doped when everyone else doped and he quit last year when everyone else quit. I'm not arguing he's not one of the best ever. The guy has some genetic gifts than other humans don't have like not producing much lactic acid. However, he's hard to imagine he didn't cheat when dominated a field of proven cheaters. Its like being the home run king without cheating in a league full of Barry Bonds.
I looked him up, his name is Jesus Manzano. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesús_Manzano Chilling story.
The best part of this thread is that people know other cyclists besides Lance Armstrong. I mean really....who watches this stuff?
How bout the folks who consider him a good role model as an athlete / cancer survivor? Bonds, aRod, Marion Jones.... None of the other dopers that come to my mind inspire people on the level that Lance does. If it comes out that he did use PEDs, his legacy as a sports icon will be lost. Besides DD, don't you live in Austin? Ya know he's kinda a big deal over there, ey? :grin:
I refuse to just "take their word for it" that Lance cheated. Show me evidence or STFU*. * - the accusers, not ClutchFans. I like you guys. :grin:
