Will it soon be time to move Battier for a starting PG?

i don't think it'll be that big of a problem, he won't play in the last minutes of the game, and it won't hurt us because brooks can penetrate and shoot, we may even have tmac at the point at the end of games, we have so many options on this team i don't think one player is going to be our demise, rafer just needs to practice and take shots IN the offense, he also needs to drive and FINISH stronger

 

Let's take your ridiculous logic to an even more ridiculous level. No Grady and no Battier equaled a road win over the Celtics.

The team with Battier but without Artest AND McGrady is Lottery bound.

 

You wouldn't say the same thing if they had Artest but not Battier and McGrady? Or how about they have McGrady, but no Battier and Artest?

I think they're lottery bound, regardless of which one player they keep out of those three. Of course, being lottery bound in the West could be you won only 48 games.

Anyways, I'm not going to argue that Battier is more valuable than either of the other two. At full health, the pecking order is McGrady, Artest, and Battier.

 

That would be based upon observations of more than a handful of recent games and it would be exactly correct.

 

Finally got a greyhound Gater.

 

One of Battier, Artest or McGrady should go....Wafer needs minutes and we have 3 pieces that all cover for each other....

The only unique player out of those three is McGrady he is the best...so in my mind it has to be Battier or Artest.

And, Artest is expiring so it is easier to move...I think Chicago takes him and Luther for Hinrich.....

Hinrich is a LOT better than Alston....and Wafer, Tmac and Battier more than make up for the loss of Artest.

Chicago does it to clear cap space this year.....they don't need Hinrich anymore and we do.

DD

 

DD- Hinrich isn't worth giving up the 2010 summer. He's a streaky shooter like rafer. I'd much rather start brooks and get a solid vet backup. Rafer and shane should be gone. It can be 2 separate deals like my sig or 1 lump deal.

 

Who's the veteran PG you'd target? I assume it's not Bobby Jackson.

 

Hinrich's contract gets better every year as it shrinks in value.....I am not against getting rid of Rafer you know that.......and would deal Shane for the right price (Outlaw for instance)....

But to me, Shane is about the same defensively as Artest (Artest better one on one, Shane better team defender) and Ron needs the ball to succeed....we already have Brooks and TMac as primary ball handlers...we don't need Artest and his crappy shot selection added on too...

I don't think the Rockets will sign Ron again, so you might as well get an upgrade at our weakest position...PG...Hinrich is the best available....and fits perfectly in a read and react...unless you can steal Sessions..(not happening).



DD

 

All we need is Mike Bibby!!

 

He is a free agent this year.....so if we get rid of Tmac for Marbury we have some cap room to sign him.....

Just saying...



DD

 

Ron's shot selection is crappy but Hinrich is way lower than him as a talent.
Don't underestimate Artest's mental toughness.Hinrich is better than Rafer and Brooks but giving up Ron for him is a big mistake IMO.

 

That depends.....

I agree Ron is better, but if you are playing Ron...one of Battier, Wafer, and Tmac is sitting, sometimes two....

So, if you assume that we have 4 talented wings.....and one can net you a good PG .....which is by far our weakest spot...you do it.

Hinrich is not a small upgrade over Rafer he is better in every facet of the game...he would make this team that much better.

DD

 

I think my sig works the best .
I wouldn't let artest go and like I said when they traded for him, they shouldve given him a extension at 4 yrs 10.5 per. I think the reason who he's forcing the game and playing hurt is because he's a free agent trying prove his worth. If he had his contract, you would see a more in control Artest. I do agree someone needs to go, but I think its shane. I would like to see tracy and ron as the 31 minute vets and just another sick,slasher like wafer coming in with him.Someone that can help force tempo and get easy baskets.

 

Get rid of Battier before his value is crap. We should try to at least get something of value because we wasted a first round pick on him.

 

Scola and shane could net camby. Then the rox would have that other backline defender along with yao.

 

I haven't read everything here, but I'd agree with this wholeheartedly.

The Rockets with Battier are a much better team. Artest is shooting extremely poorly on 2-pters, which says to me he's not adjusting to Yao (so far).

I'd rather trade Alston for someone like Alston. I was thinking that Alston would not be a bad PG for this team if he wasn't so comfortable taking shots. If he were unfamiliar to the team and was put in his place, he would take less shots (meaning his below 40% shooting has less impact) and obviously that would result in more passing and defense, where he's actually efficient.

One thing to look at is the Blazers. They will have the Darius Miles cap hit, and have a few PG's. They may want to replace one of their contracts guaranteed past 2010 with Rafer's.

I don't think we should get rid of Artest or Battier at his point, but if I had to choose, it would be Artest first. The team is SIGNIFICANTLY different (defensively, offensively, chemistry) when Battier is on the floor. Artest has not proven that he can work cohesively with his team - and I admit that it could be due to injury, time or circumstances. But it makes no difference - we know Battier has a huge positive impact, while Artest still has to prove it.

At this point, I'm ready to admit I've been wrong all along, and would like to see the team start Aaron (he thrives with the starters) while benching Alston and Artest. Don't mask the change with lies, make sure Alston knows that it's because Brooks has played better as the starting PG.

 

hopefully T-mac + Head for Kirk Hinrich + Deng + anyone or more

 

Hinrich has career shooting numbers that are much better than Rafer's and he has never played with anyone that has commanded a double team that could get him wide open looks. He would blossom with the open shots Rafer gets, there is no doubt about it. I think it is too early to give up on Artest, and Artest is one of the true difference makers in this league. I may be in the minority here, but I think giving up Shane makes the most sense in my opinion. This team has needed a third scoring option, and now that they have it, they should not be so eager to give it up.