Will GOP Change?

Which set of "mis-facts" is more perilous for the US?

Enjoyed your commentary on immigration given all the criticism voiced here about Republican math....

 

They (the far right) apparently eat their own. As soon as one of the flock slightly deviates from protocol or drifts towards the center (see Christie), they are devoured by the Jones and Mansons...Fox, Limbaugh, Hannity.

Maybe dems can pull off the same thing the Tea baggers did, in the opposite direction. All we need is some super far left angry zealots with quazi racist picket signs and not so concealed weapons to scare the masses with threats of a corporate takeover (which has partially already happened). Maybe they could pull the center back to center, and true moderates will have a home again.
A 3rd party might be better

 

Well, I see they are still paying basso to start threads with their talking points of the day, so no, they aren't going to change quickly. God what a waste of $7/per though. That's a footlong sandwich and chips for some GOP staffer, even in DC.

This strategy worked wonders for them over the last four years.

 

I have "good information" that it is $7.32 per thread started. $6.40 if he uses his own "creative" thread title instead of theirs though.

 

Actually to maintain a high standard of living especially for the elderly America needs more immigrants, skilled and unskilled. Without immigrants America's population might likely be stagnant or declining and we need a certain amount of replacement population to pay into SSI and provide care for the elderly part of the population. The vast majority of immigrants, both documented and undocumented, are here to work not to live off of the government teat. Especially for undocumented immigrants many who cannot or do not out of fear authorities take advantage of the social safety net. Those immigrants though still contribute to the tax base with many paying into SSI, even though they can't withdraw from it, or at the minimum in local sales taxes.

Also having access to cheap immigrant labor is a big factor why the US has had a high standard of living in that it has the cost down for many goods and services.

 

We need immigrants, but they need to be either skilled or educated. Most illegal immigrants are neither. And cheap immigrant labor isn't cheap if the labor qualifies for government aid and healthcare. If corporations want to hire cheap third world labor then those corporations should be legally responsible for taking care of their housing, food, and medical needs. Instead the cost is offloaded to the taxpayer. I believe that's called corporate welfare, and it's one of the many aspects of immigration that hurts middle class taxpayers.

 

can't find the post so i'll just respond to this.

i understand that less immigration baiting by republicans won't alone help them with hispanics/latinos, however i think that first and second generation hispanics who come over here and start up their own construction/landscaping/contracting whatever small businesses will be more in line with the lowering tax ideology of the GOP.

 

Keeping this theme in this thread, people fail to understand that the Tea Party is already a fractioning of the GOP. The Tea Party got started (before being taken over by the GOP establishment) when George Bush still being president signed the financial bailout in 08. That's when the bible thumbing strict constitutionalist finally figured that the establishment of the GOP did not have their best interests in mind.

when George Bush signed the financial bailout, there was a beginning revolt of house republicans who were getting very angry feedback from their constituents back in their home districts. fortunately for the GOP the establishment was able to round that anger back up into its traditional voting base and has held on for the past four years, but the cracks in GOP voting foundation started to splinter with that event.

 

Nope, you'd be surprised; also depends greatly on where they came from. Believe it or not, Hispanics come from many different countries and cultures.

 

i understand they come from different cultures, i'm not some ignorant texan who think they all come from tejano mexico. that's why i said the many who create small businesses might have a common goal with the lower tax burden philosophy of the GOP. its not about culture its about money.

 

there are a lot of hispanic/latin small business owners. restaurants, landscaping, construction, machine shops, mechanics, etc from mexico, central america, latin america, the carribean. they have one thing in common, they own small businesses.

has anyone been in the tidwell airline area. its full of latin american owned businesses. if the GOP really wanted to to cater to hispanics/latinos, they would extend their small business philosophy of less taxes to create jobs to them. its really a natural fit imho.

 

I find this curious. They don't know or haven't figured that out already? Who, then, has them under the witching spell that only the Democratic Party is in their favor?

 

Change? Maybe. Sean Hannity is ready to throw in the towel on immigration demagoguery and let common sense rule. Looks like 71/27 might have an effect.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/media...tion-and-support-a-pathway-149078.html?hp=l12

Sean Hannity said Thursday he has “evolved” on immigration and now supports a “pathway to citizenship.”

Hannity told his radio listeners Thursday afternoon that the United States needs to “get rid of the immigration issue altogether.”

“It’s simple to me to fix it,” Hannity said. “I think you control the border first. You create a pathway for those people that are here — you don’t say you’ve got to go home. And that is a position that I’ve evolved on. Because, you know what, it’s got to be resolved. The majority of people here, if some people have criminal records you can send them home, but if people are here, law-abiding, participating for years, their kids are born here, you know, first secure the border, pathway to citizenship, done.”

“You can’t let the problem continue — it’s got to stop,” the conservative radio host added.

 

I don't know. He was also saying one of the reasons Romney lost is because he wouldn't use Palin or let her talk at the convention.

 

They f-cked themselves into a corner on this issue. If they come together with dems on this issue, Obama and dems will get credit. Reagan amnestied my parents and they still vote straight democrat. Then you have Arizona and those Republicans who want to turn the state into apartheid South Africa. Good luck reigning those crazy fawkes in. And should they obstruct any reform Obama puts on the table then they lose by the same margin in 2016.

 

I don't think it is actually possible to give everyone who comes here citizenship and believe it or not but many immigrants don't want to become citizens but just want to work and then go home. I've said before I think what we need is an expanded guest worker system especially for seasonal and migrant labor. This used to be widely used in border states like CA where workers would come from Mexico to work the harvest and then return home.

That seems most likely.

 

I don't think the evidence is clear at all that illegal immigrants are a net drag because of the government services they use. You have to consider again that they also pay in taxes and in many cases are not getting the back the amount of services that they pay in taxes. Illegals are not going to tap all services because of fear of the authorities to begin with. You are also discounting the economic benefits by holding down inflation. Many studies have pointed out that without unskilled or moderately skilled immigrant labor we would see costs for things like vegetables and construction skyrocket that would have a very negative effect on our economy.

 

when talking about asian immigrants and their acedemic and financial success in the U.S. the topic of immigrant culture comes up. it basically says that these people are successful because they were motivated to leave their home countries in the first place.

well i think it gets lost that there are a lot of latin/hispanic immigrants who aren't just used as drug mules and thrown out of vans in shoots on eldridge and beechnut (that happened last week in the H-town) who actually come over here with a dream and are financially successful in their own right.