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Will Child Gun Deaths Rise Under Trump?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by deb4rockets, Dec 1, 2024.

  1. deb4rockets

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    Crickets from OS. Come on, I asked your honest opinion.
     
  2. Os Trigonum

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    dude, I'm watching the game. relax.
     
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    She’s busy woking
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    I realize I've spent more time on this topic than most others over the years, so I'll refer you back to some of those threads I participated in where the subject was debated ad nauseam:

    https://bbs.clutchfans.net/threads/gun-control-discussion.296955/

    https://bbs.clutchfans.net/threads/universal-background-checks.310788/

    https://bbs.clutchfans.net/threads/reasonable-gun-control-laws.315831/

    Despite the misnomer of eliminating "gun loop hole laws" (there are no "gun loop hole laws" per se), I understand that your question is about universal background checks. I remain skeptical of universal background checks--not so much out of principle, but instead because of practical concerns about effectiveness and implementation. I've responded many, many times on this question, including in threads you participated in.

    On effectiveness and implementation, see e.g., https://bbs.clutchfans.net/threads/gun-control-discussion.296955/page-2#post-12280092


     
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  5. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Everything will be worse under Trump, the economy will wither, inflation will run up, job creation will slow, the deficit will explode....and people will die due to his incompetence.

    DD
     
  6. JuanValdez

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    It's hard to predict the future. What's more, the president isn't the main driver of child gun deaths. For example, this stat:

    was driven by the covid pandemic, not any presidential action by Trump or Biden. So any future policy for good or ill that Trump might enact could be completely overwhelmed by events.

    Besides that, given that we are already at one extreme on the spectrum of gun liberty, it's hard to imagine how Trump could make things significantly worse. It can get significantly worse, but not because of gun policy. We've already maxed out that lever.

    So, no predictions on the metrics. I'll just predict that he'll be pushing policy in the wrong direction, whatever the outcome.
     
  7. deb4rockets

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    It's a serious problem. This article is a couple years old, but I doubt much has changed percentage wise.

    Combining all child and teen firearm deaths in the U.S. with those in other OECD countries with above median GDP and GDP per capita, the U.S. accounts for 97% of gun-related child and teen deaths, despite representing 46% of the total population in these countries. Combined, the eleven other similarly large and wealthy countries account for only 153 of the total 4,886 firearm deaths for children and teens ages 1-19 years in these nations, and the U.S. accounts for the remainder.

    https://www.kff.org/mental-health/i... and teen,total population in these countries.
     
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  8. ThatBoyNick

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    Double poisoning deaths from 19-21 is wild

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    I'd agree it's the culture and poverty thats the egg here.
     
  9. JuanValdez

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    Good lord, comparing pre-Covid Canada data to the worst of the Covid-era for the US? That's some bullshit analysis. Look, KFF, we already look bad with an honest comparison, so why undermine the argument with dishonesty?
     
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    To zoom out and look at the big picture of youth mortality not just gun specific deaths (it's no better if a kid is stabbed, or dies at all really).

    https://data.unicef.org/topic/child-survival/under-five-mortality/
    https://platform.who.int/data/mater...rtality-rate-for-adolescents-aged-10-19-years
    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/langlo/article/PIIS2214-109X(21)00023-1/fulltext#fig1

    On rough average, over twice as likely to die in the USA as a baby/child/teen/young adult, compared to the average of western/highly developed countries, in comparison to the absolute best of those countries (best in the world), it's about 3x.

    Not nearly as ridiculous as the gun specific youth death rate we average, but it's bad.

    We rank dead last amongst all highly developed countries in keeping our kids alive, which is pretty damning news for the worlds best country.
     
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