I don't worry too much about overpopulation, "population fatigue" will take care of that. Of course, "population fatigue" is a sterile, academic way of saying that so many people will die in overpopulated countries -- of disease, hunger and other calamities -- that it will even things out. As for abortion, this thread is a prime example of why there will never be a compromise on abortion. One side believes vehemently that abortion is murder, the other that it is afundamental right to decide what to do with your body. I don't see a middle ground there, I doubt anyone else does either. Me, I don't know which side I'm on, doubt I ever will. ------------------
Before abortions were legal in this country. many women resorted to illegal abortions. A good many were performed with instuments as crude as a wire hanger. As a result, a lot of these women were permanently injured or killed from the botched operations. The hanger has become something of a symbol for the pro-choice movement in the hopes that women won't ever have to resort to that again. ------------------
So, you await the Rapture? Stringthing....you cannot abolish abortion any more than you can abolish sins. What exactly are you waiting for?
Steve_Francis_rules, My "sad..." comment had nothing to do with abortion, it was referring to the body of my post - the idea that Bush would overturn a Supreme Court ruling (because he cannot). Please do not try to make me feel guilty. ------------------ EZLN
I am against abortions purely for the fact everyone has the right to live. Living a hard life is still better....... than no life at all. An unborn child is still a child. Maybe, Maybe no ------------------ "Kenny, The Basketball scientist, Whoo Hoo." Charley B, on TNT
As long as that fetus is in the woman's body, they are a part of that woman's body. A woman has the natural right to choose what happens to their bodies. StringThing- you are probably a guy. Who the hell are you to judge what women can and can not do to their bodies. Abortions are important, and I am pro-choice with every fiber in my body. ------------------ "Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning how to put food on their family while being put to death."
When did this thread change from "Will Bush abolish Abortion" to "Do you think abortion is right?" ****, man, I ain't gettin involved in this one. ------------------ Jazzkiller
Issues like this make me realise how damm lucky I am to live in a country where politics and religion are kept ion very different realms... ------------------ [This message has been edited by ScreamingRocketJet (edited January 24, 2001).]
Living a hard life is still better....... than no life at all. --- Francis 3422 Perhaps in your case. There are many whose lives are much harder than we can comprehend who may disagree. However, I feel that many people do abuse their right when they may have the means to see to a child - whether by raising it or putting it up for adoption. edited due to highly offensive original post ------------------ [This message has been edited by B-ball freak (edited January 24, 2001).]
alright scratch that... I'm outta of this thread. bball freak. I just don't understand your point in context of abolishing something that can't be abolished. Yes, it hits home to many. But what is your point beyond personal anecdote! [This message has been edited by heypartner (edited January 24, 2001).]
maybe regulate would be a better term. [This message has been edited by B-ball freak (edited January 24, 2001).] [This message has been edited by B-ball freak (edited January 24, 2001).]
This post now makes no sense since I edited the previous 2 - sorry [This message has been edited by B-ball freak (edited January 24, 2001).]
I need some morphine just to read this thread. Is that bad? ------------------ Me fail English? That's unpossible.
Dubya will prance and pose on the issue, even though if the dumbass himself could get pregnant, abortion would be safe, legal and readily available all over the country. He will not go as far as to try to overturn Roe vs. Wade, especially if he wants to get elected to a 2nd term. By the way, Jeff, if you find any morphine, please share. Sharing is caring, you know! ------------------ "Blues is a Healer" --John Lee Hooker
Good Morning Rocket fans! Jeff, a good dose of yoga will do ya just as good. A said yesterday I wasn't going to say anything, well... I think we can stay in a "wait and see" mode until it accually comes time to appoint a supreme court judge. That will be the test. As hard as this is to say, I will reserve judgement until then. Again, its an issue that splits the country. I think the latest polls show... 47% are pro-choice 45% are pro-life But on the issue of overturning Roe vs Wade, now thats another question. and I would love to see some figures on that. ------------------ 'Deeds, not words, shall speak me.'
I'm one that thinks the courts, and particularly the Supreme Court, has overstepped it's bounds on several issues, creating social policy and laws that would be better left up to the legislature. But on this issue, I'm wondering if part of the thought on leaving it alone is to keep good people -- with strong beliefs on this sensitive subject -- from absolutely killing each other. IMHO -- we may be overstating the subject anyway. a) Bush could not overturn Roe vs. Wade, b) he really couldn't use this as a litmus test, c) even if he appointed a anti-abortion justice(s), it would take years for a case to work through the system, d) even if all this happened, history has shown us that Supreme Court justices don't always vote the way we expect them to -- they like to make up their own minds. ------------------ Stay Cool...
Regardless of your feeling about abortion, the following quote by ZRB is quite possibly the saddest thing I have ever read: "We can not continue to overpopulate the planet.Abortion is necessary for the survival of life on this planet." I don't think that any public abortion proponent has ever suggested using abortion as a means of population control. ------------------
I hate this topic but I've gotta jump in here. Abortion being necessary to control population? What are you, a Chinese government official? You want forced abortions? Or how about laws on how many kids a couple can have? Do you want to send mothers to jail for WANTING children? That's grrrrrrrrreat. Personally, I would hope there would come a day when abortion would become a choice that is NOT made. There needs to be better education, better birth control, and a better understanding on what a terrible act such as abortion does to our society. Also, there are many laws restricting what people can and cannot do with their own bodies. The "you can't tell me what to do with my body" argument is weak and tiresome. A person can't injest drugs on their own free will but a woman can end the life of a child? Any way you want to slice it there is something very very wrong about abortion. ------------------ "Somebody DO something out there." -Bill Walton
"A woman has the natural right to choose what happens to their bodies." I agree with this statement right up until the point that a woman willingly spreads her legs for unprotected sex. Yeah I know condoms or the pill or opther alternatives are not 100% safe, but that is not my point. My point is the woman did have a choice and she took the chance of an unplanned pregnacy. After that if she chooses an abortion she is taking a life.
