1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

[WikiLeaks] Glenn Greenwald owns two CNN anchors

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Depressio, Dec 27, 2010.

  1. Classic

    Classic Member

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2007
    Messages:
    6,101
    Likes Received:
    608
    I like Glenn Greenwald. He is correct in calling out the hypocrisy in how wikileaks is being viewed and discussed in the media. What's even more hilarious (and troubling) is the fact that CNN would have Bush's former terrorist advisor calling Assange a terrorist after everything the regime that she served committed. You can't necessarily call CNN a 'liberal' outlet when they're bringing these people on. I think it's safe to say the Neo-cons and their journalists/reports have infiltrated our media outlets after watching that discussion.
     
  2. Acedude

    Acedude Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Oct 9, 2007
    Messages:
    1,010
    Likes Received:
    47
    Yeah, because obviously, killing Assange means the end of Wikileaks. The gigabytes of classified information floating on the internets would simply dissipate into thin air shortly afterwards.
     
  3. kokopuffs

    kokopuffs Member

    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2006
    Messages:
    1,637
    Likes Received:
    31
    so he wouldn't really be profitting from the book would he?

    no wife, no kids. you make a great deal of sense there.
     
  4. kokopuffs

    kokopuffs Member

    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2006
    Messages:
    1,637
    Likes Received:
    31
    oops, he has an ex-wife who has custody of his child. but still, if he dies he doesn't "profit" from the book at all.
     
  5. rocketsjudoka

    rocketsjudoka Contributing Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2007
    Messages:
    55,193
    Likes Received:
    43,513
    Except you seem to have missed posts where I have stated I am still keeping an open mind regarding the impact of wikileaks.

    I have just started taking a look at the links and I am interested in learning more. At the moment I will applaud them for seeking to work with the US government and it seems irresponsible on the part of the government not to work with them but at the same time I don't think that excuses wikileaks responsibility and from what other things I have seen they have been sloppy in regard to their own redactions.
     
  6. kokopuffs

    kokopuffs Member

    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2006
    Messages:
    1,637
    Likes Received:
    31
    wikileaks is a volunteer organization, it doesn't have the resources of a major media outlet. Perhaps one reason why the response from the MSM has been so alarmist and shrill is because they're used to being the only major players in the news industry. Wikileaks' original stated goal is to release source documents and have a wiki-style commentary from readers on each document. That kind of bottom-up organization could be seen as a threat on the dominance of the MSM at a time when investigative journalism and the news industry is on a serious decline.
     
    1 person likes this.
  7. rhadamanthus

    rhadamanthus Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2002
    Messages:
    14,304
    Likes Received:
    596
    Fair.

    Unfair.
     
  8. kokopuffs

    kokopuffs Member

    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2006
    Messages:
    1,637
    Likes Received:
    31
    http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/12/28/cnnn/index.html

     
  9. Commodore

    Commodore Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2007
    Messages:
    31,434
    Likes Received:
    14,991
    That Wikileaks did their own censoring is irrelevant from a legal (or moral) standpoint. They don't get to decide what national security information gets released.
     
  10. kokopuffs

    kokopuffs Member

    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2006
    Messages:
    1,637
    Likes Received:
    31
    So basically you're saying that no classified documents can ever be legally published as long as the government refuses to dictate what gets redacted?

    That's sheer lunacy. "Freedom of speech - except when a government official doesn't like it."

    It's this kind of tyranny that our country was founded in opposition to.
     
  11. Commodore

    Commodore Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2007
    Messages:
    31,434
    Likes Received:
    14,991
    Oh please. Loose lips sink ships. You don't give away security info to our enemies. You think the founders believed in that?

    You can appeal under the Freedom Of Information Act to have documents published, and the government must justify the secrecy.
     
  12. jo mama

    jo mama Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jul 9, 2002
    Messages:
    13,548
    Likes Received:
    7,709
    the founders would support the exposure of government corruption and criminal activity.
     
  13. kokopuffs

    kokopuffs Member

    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2006
    Messages:
    1,637
    Likes Received:
    31
    ha
    ha
    ha

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38350993/


    The scary thing is that if the AP didn't investigate (which would have required someone to leak sensitive info to the AP), this ridiculous practice would have gone on indefinitely.

    Your blind faith in the government is astounding. It's supposed to be government by the people, FOR the people not by career politicians for national security.

    Don't get me wrong, national security is important. However, wikileaks' documents are all designated secret or below. Simply put, dissemination of that material would not produce great harm to national security.

    Face it, we as Americans have egg on our face because of the choices our leaders face. We can't pawn this off as someone else's responsibility. Sure, everyone does this kind of thing. However, it's no wonder our foreign relations are suffering when we speak from a bully pulpit, yet are incredibly hypocritical in our actions.
     
    1 person likes this.
  14. Raven

    Raven Member

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2002
    Messages:
    14,984
    Likes Received:
    1,025
    America has been binging so long on lies, corruption, and secrecy that anyone who shines a light on those activities is branded a villain.
     
  15. Agent94

    Agent94 Member

    Joined:
    Jun 28, 2002
    Messages:
    2,743
    Likes Received:
    2,661
    A private citizen can print any information he wants. Wikileaks actually does not have to censor anything. If you are in a government or military position and release sensitive information then it can be a crime. That is why Scooter Libby got into trouble and Robert Novak did not in the Varerie Plame case.
     
  16. SuperBeeKay

    SuperBeeKay Member

    Joined:
    Feb 24, 2008
    Messages:
    6,185
    Likes Received:
    258
    great find, thanks for sharing!
     
  17. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"

    Joined:
    Jul 26, 2002
    Messages:
    34,912
    Likes Received:
    34,219
    [​IMG]
    "I like how you think! I know US unemployment pretty bad. Maybe you will work for grass clippings and kim chi rations?"
     
  18. glynch

    glynch Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2000
    Messages:
    17,825
    Likes Received:
    3,415
    Brutal. At least they won't invite him with those light weights. Probably no more CNN for Glen Greenwald.

    I especially like the Townsend woman ignorantly talking about how it is all a crime without mentioning a statute that was violated. The Obama Administration seems to be working hard to create some sort of crime to charge him with.

    Assange will be the new Che Guevara on t-shirts. Book it.
     
    #38 glynch, Dec 30, 2010
    Last edited: Dec 30, 2010
  19. rhadamanthus

    rhadamanthus Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2002
    Messages:
    14,304
    Likes Received:
    596
    Greenwald makes a fool of the NYT. This is becoming a habit of his.

    Good read.

    Attacks on RT and Assange reveal much about the critics

     
  20. rhadamanthus

    rhadamanthus Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2002
    Messages:
    14,304
    Likes Received:
    596
    Proving Greenwald's point is so easy it's sad...

    More at the link...
     

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now