Wicky Wubio Signs 6 year Deal with Wegal Barcelona, affordable buyout in 2011

lol what a great way to bend my words. here's what i said in a nutshell:

we all have the same access to rubio's basketball play so we can only make judgments on that. my judgment is that vspan had better overseas play than rubio. because we (i) dont have the full picture, i could be wrong that rubio sucks. i didnt say vspan was better than rubio.

as for morey, we dont have a huge track record of his drafting skills but we do have a good record of his trades. trading for rubio is essentially picking him up from the draft (which is a crapshoot to begin with vs. trading for seasoned players with a bigger NBA track record)

get it? or was that too hard for you?

 

Morey allegedly was willing to part with Battier to get the pick that could get Rubio. So IF that rumors was legit, AND IF Morey was not putting up a smokescreen, then he is REALLY high on Rubio, especially in light of the fact that we already have two promising young PGs, and that Battier is the quintessential "Morey's type of player."

Some posters here who watched the exact same videos we all did conclude that Rubio is not likely to be anything good in the NBA. The main reason cited is his slow-footedness, and to a lesser degree, his shooting. I am pretty sure Morey and his scouts have seen a lot more of Rubio's game than any of us here, and they have in their disposal a lot more sophisticated analytic tools to assess Rubio's chances of success. Could Morey be wrong? Of course. But if I were to bet, I'd put my money on Morey over any poster on this board.

Again, all these are predicated on the assumption that the rumor of Morey's interest in Rubio is real.

 

Actually, Morey does have a track record of drafting. Two players he was highly interested in (both got stolen by Portland), i.e. Roy and Fernandez, turned out to be pretty good players. And at least two of all the low picks he did (Landry and Brooks) have been very solid picks.

 

It's much better than you last post, which made no sense at all.

Still, you're saying everyone here can't judge Rubio because we haven't seen enough of him, yet you immediately state that you think Rubio isn't any good. Maybe you should follow your own advice and not judge him until you see him.

Aaron Brooks and Carl Landry aren't enough evidence that Morey's decent at drafting? Luis Scola isn't enough evidence that Morey can judge international talent?

 

I have my doubts regarding the veracity of those reports of Morey's alleged interest. I can't remember there ever being an instance of the media accurately gaining word of his interests PRIOR to the trade or expected date of the trade. And then suddenly last year you have basically every major journalist reporting on Morey's presumed interest in Rubio? It just seems incredibly suspicious to me and would appear to have been a major smokescreen.

However, like you said, if it is true that Morey really did have interest in Rubio (which we have no way of knowing unless we end up trading for him), then I'll concede that the kid will probably turn out to be a stud. I would blindly take Daryl Morey's assessment over my own every day of the week given his impeccable track record.

As far as the other general managers/scouts, I'm sure you will agree that there have been more than enough complete and utter busts to disprove any ultimate infallibility on their part. It has been such a mixed bag with foreign prospects that I would trust my own personal observations over their collective presumed authoritativeness in that domain. Does that mean I think they are always wrong or lack any credibility or that I have overall better insight? No. My point is merely that the results have been mixed enough over the years to strip away that presumed authoritativeness and appeal to credibility.

As far as my other point, I think you are misunderstanding me. I'm not saying he will be garbage or that he definitively does not possess those characteristics his supporters applaud. I am merely addressing what seems to be a pervasive sentiment here that those highlights are somehow indicative of those qualities - the highlights certainly aren't preclusive but they aren't indicative. Now I realize that scouts and general managers don't base their evaluations on mix tapes (though I have already addressed them); my comments are directed towards the fans. What else am I to conclude when I see in pretty much every Rubio thread, "check out the sick pass at 1:33 and 3:06 in this clip against Poland, wow this kid has eyes on the back of his head!!" The point is merely that every generation Y point guard is possessive of those abilities. It's not anything to write home about. The difference is that NBA and division 1 players don't have carte blanche like he apparently does. They would have their asses on the bench if they tried some of that stuff in a real game.

In general, I find this board in particular quite overly amused by elite ball handling as if its somehow out of the norm or some rare unique quality. (Ironically, this point seems to oddly tie in with one of my main pet rants about the underestimation of early age ball handling acquisition....hmmm, a dissertation?) It reminds me of the time someone posted a Mike Conley video where he is doing a routine two-ball dribbling drill that any guard who has played high school basketball can do blindfolded, and the first page of replies was a collective orgasm. The responses seem the same way with Rubio.

 

nah, i dont think so. fernandez and roy are legit, roy moreso. you knew roy was the real deal and it was basically picking the best player in the draft. rubio doesnt seem like he is legit. everyone here wanted roy so that doesnt make morey some genius for wanting him. fernandez..... is a nice role player but nothing to write home about... and that's what rubio will be. i dont see fernandez getting all this attention.

anyway, why is everyone so quick to jump on people that are against rubio being a good player and telling us to "wait and see"? it kinda goes the same way with the people that say he'll be good.... we rubio naysayers will say the same thing "wait and see" your argument against us not having enough footage of rubio playing is the same as our argument against you. it's an opinion... get over it.

 

Ricky Rubio has agreed to a six year deal with Barcelona Regal with a buyout provision in 2011 to leave for Minnesota, a source tells Y!

 

you need to put the link in your post.

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_y...cB?slug=aw-rubiobarcelona&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

 

right...which is why he went 6th that year ? Pretty much nobody had him the consensus #1, hell even Portland didn't which is why they picked Thomas and then turned him into Aldridge before getting Minnesota to grab Roy.

 

Rubio back to spain. I say Rubio for 2011!

buy the rights morey!

 

What are the odds David Kahn, soon to be former president of basketball operations for the T-Pups, is hating life right about now?

Main deal: Randy Foye/Mike Miller for 5th pick/Darius Songalia/Etan Thomas/Something Pecherov

5th pick: Rubio (backfired)
6th pick: Johnny Flynn
18th pick: Lawson (traded)
28th pick: Ellington

When all the garbage settles (no pun intended) he essentially just traded away Foye/Miller/5th pick/18th pick/Telfair/Smith (all solid players) for Flynn/Ellington/Chucky Atkins/Damien Wilkens/Mark Blount. That is just...wow. Indescribable.

People can roast McHale all they want but his successor is going to get laughed out of the league.

 

This guy is not winning many fans it seems. I see him finding his way to New York still for some reason...

 

http://www.marca.com/2009/09/01/baloncesto/1251757378.html

McGrady + Brooks + Landry + Taylor → rights to Rubio + Atkins ($760k guaranteed) + Blount + Cardinal + Songaila (2yr)
Dorsey via TE

Lowry, Rubio
Ariza, Barry, White
Battier, Budinger, Cardinal
Scola, Songaila, Cook
Andersen, Blount, Hayes, Yao

Brooks, Flynn, Brown
Ellington, Brewer, Taylor
McGrady, Gomes, Wilkins
Love, Landry, Dorsey
Jefferson, Hollins, Pecherov

 

does his nose get a seperate contract?

 

I don't know how you can fault him for taking Rubio - he was rated by some as the 2nd best player in the draft and they got him at 5. They still own his draft rights, and it's not like they're just going to get an expiring contract for him.

 

He will still only be 20 years old in 2011.....I think a couple more years in Europe would be better for him overall.

I would not mind Morey trying to get his rights now......sort of like Red Aurebach drafting Larry Bird the year before he came out of college...

DD

 

Navarro's deal with Barcelona, which is supposedly equivalent to $10 million/yr in the NBA, would be over by then.

In 2011, Rubio's choices could be between a $10M/yr deal v rookie scale in the NBA . Kahn needed to make some kind of deal now.

http://www.marca.com/2009/09/01/baloncesto/1251802942.html
Hoopshype's translation:
http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm

 

good point on rubio going to be offered a huge deal over in spain after this current deal finishes...however Rubio is probably going to get a max contract anyways here after his rookie scale salaries finish and THAT would be a bigger amount than anything he can ever get in Spain...not to mention superstardom over the world from the NBA